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re: Trump "Yes.. I offered Mexico military help to take out the Cartels"
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:34 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:34 pm to Jjdoc
Those prices are artificially high due to regulation and control, plus taxes. If it were legalized, and specifically, people could grow their own, those prices would come way down.
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:40 pm to northshorebamaman
Not true. The ones you know might have, but they are not selling to kids. People with smaller pocket books will still keep a dealer on the street on speed dial.
That's proven.
In fact in those utopia countries that is pushed as an example, street drugs are on the rise.
38 years of this in Amsterdam has proven that wrong. The exact same argument was used. It would put them out of business. It has not and they have a major issue over there.
In fact, the coffee shops over there buy it from street dealers! Why? They make MORE MONEY. Yet you think that won't happen here?
That's proven.
In fact in those utopia countries that is pushed as an example, street drugs are on the rise.
38 years of this in Amsterdam has proven that wrong. The exact same argument was used. It would put them out of business. It has not and they have a major issue over there.
In fact, the coffee shops over there buy it from street dealers! Why? They make MORE MONEY. Yet you think that won't happen here?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:43 pm to northshorebamaman
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I live in a legal state and the vast majority have left the black market. The shops offer things your dealer can't or won't, like quality control.
They serving minors there? They lowering their prices for those who can't afford the 100% increase over the street price? Is your state way different than countries doing this for 38 years that say 100% that your aruments are not really accurate?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:44 pm to Sao
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Your map only makes sense during intrastate legalization. When state borders open releasing some of the strangulation, prices would drop. Legalizing weed is simply smart for the enitrety of the country.
So you actually think that a business regulated by the US government can and will be able to produce a product cheaper than a cartel using cheap slave labor and no regulation?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:45 pm to BlackAdam
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The way to defeat the cartels is to take away the black market by legalizing drug use.
It will not and 38 years of history is against you.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:48 pm to wmr
Since when can you not buy sudafed OTC?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 11:49 pm to HubbaBubba
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Those prices are artificially high due to regulation and control, plus taxes. If it were legalized, and specifically, people could grow their own, those prices would come way down.
It will be regulated just as beer is. There will be taxs.... just like beer. There will be cost like paying employees and cost associated with a company growing it.
You will never beat the street price. It's been proven.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:05 am to AggieDub14
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Trouble in Europe's Pot Paradise: A Bloody Gang War Is Raging in Amsterdam
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On March 10, a 23-year-old man's severed head was displayed at the entrance of a hookah lounge in Amsterdam where drug dealers are known to gather. The rest of the victim's body was found in a burned-out car on the other side of the city. It was the latest grisly episode in a conflict between rival gangs that authorities say has produced roughly 20 percent of all murders over the past three years in the Netherlands, a country that has one of the lowest homicide rates in the world.
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Though the Dutch have struck a compromise with international treaties that shows great results for reducing harm for drug users, the approach has largely shielded problems with drug crime in the Netherlands from public view.
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'It's a system that is fundamentally flawed, pumping millions into a criminal underworld.'
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"I advise the government to start regulation as soon as possible, to prevent these hardened crime syndicates from taking over this market completely.
As you can see, making it legal has not accomplished what you say it will.
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Addiction treatment is paid for under universal healthcare. And the most progressive policies go as far as providing addicts with free heroin at designated health centers.
There's the rub.
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That's where problems persist. Last year's 2.5 million Dutch cannabis smokers, 260,000 MDMA users, and 170,000 cocaine consumers still sourced all of their product from illegal networks.
And here it is again..... Exactly what I am saying. The cartels create other things and ............
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'This is an international issue. We shouldn't have the illusion that if we start doing things differently, that it would help with our problems with this ballooning organized crime.'
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The market for drugs being what it is, criminal drug distribution can easily become an integral part of local economies, spurring local corruption and money laundering. Fighting the illicit drug market now costs the Netherlands roughly $1 billion a year. If the dollar figure were adjusted to reflect the US population, it would be $19 billion — roughly equivalent to NASA's annual budget.
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 12:13 am
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:11 am to Jjdoc
You're arguing just to win at this point. There is nothing street level dirt weed will ever do to be more desirable and consumable than strains produced in the controlled environs they are today and in the future. Those growers will face competition to begin with then taper as the new cartels, Big Money, will absorb small farms and produce product on a massive scale like it was Tobacco Road. Prices will stabilize.
Cartels will still dabble in powders I'm sure.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:14 am to AggieDub14
Like 10;years now. They do have a version they still sell otc but it's shite.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:14 am to Sao
Again, you are arguing with 38 years of history and they.... the most liberals of liberals are telling you that you are wrong!
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:16 am to Jjdoc
And ironically of all things, you're using published data that any other day or night you would call bullshite on. Propaganda, remember? It's what we do here when we want something put down.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:21 am to Jjdoc
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They serving minors there? They lowering their prices for those who can't afford the 100% increase over the street price? Is your state way different than countries doing this for 38 years that say 100% that your aruments are not really accurate?
100%? That is inaccurate by a wide margin. In my area a legal oz of primo is around $200 legal, black market is around $180 on the black market and provides no potency analysis or quality control. I also don't have to play phone tag with some hippie or meet him in a parking lot. I go to the store, I buy. And are you under the impression that the WoD was preventing teen access?
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:23 am to northshorebamaman
And btw, the price of an oz has dropped $100 since legalization.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:24 am to northshorebamaman
Then you are in a very unique area, not just in the country, but the world.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:28 am to Sao
Build the wall and man it well enough to slow everything down to little or nothing. PAY THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT and establish a no go zone 5 miles south of the wall. You pay them to buy out everyone living on the border to the south and foot the bill to move them all out of the zone.
Still Mexican territory but by treaty we patrol it and no one comes north except by way of established corridors to checkpoints.
Not above, below, or on the ground. They ain't getting through that.
Then you send in the military and END the cartels. Vacuum or no, it doesn't pay to step in if you know you'll get dead.
In country. clean out the gangs and get serious about the streets. Deportation for the aliens with automatic 20 years for re entering the US plus doing the time you would have done for what got you busted to begin with. Drug and gun crimes get you 20 at hard labor. Bring back the chain gangs and make them pay.
Get serious about education and treatment. The culture of glorifying drug use must be changed. Those afflicted, as many as possible, rehabbed and reclaimed.
Sure this would cost a hell of a lot. But the deaths and tragedies are costing more. And you'd slash crime at a massive rate.
Still Mexican territory but by treaty we patrol it and no one comes north except by way of established corridors to checkpoints.
Not above, below, or on the ground. They ain't getting through that.
Then you send in the military and END the cartels. Vacuum or no, it doesn't pay to step in if you know you'll get dead.
In country. clean out the gangs and get serious about the streets. Deportation for the aliens with automatic 20 years for re entering the US plus doing the time you would have done for what got you busted to begin with. Drug and gun crimes get you 20 at hard labor. Bring back the chain gangs and make them pay.
Get serious about education and treatment. The culture of glorifying drug use must be changed. Those afflicted, as many as possible, rehabbed and reclaimed.
Sure this would cost a hell of a lot. But the deaths and tragedies are costing more. And you'd slash crime at a massive rate.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:29 am to Jjdoc
I hear Colorado is much the same.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:37 am to northshorebamaman
Yes... You might be attempting to be sarcastic, but yes.
Fed study says pot use by youth on rise in Colorado, leads nation
Fed study says pot use by youth on rise in Colorado, leads nation
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:38 am to Jjdoc
No sarcasm.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 12:39 am to Jjdoc
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You will never beat the street price. It's been proven.
Cartels ain't growing high quality dank, so no shite. You know we actually send Mexico high quality weed cause they don't have it.
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