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re: The problem with illegal immigration explained as if you were 5 years old (or a liberal)

Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:07 am to
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:07 am to
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You forgot, I am super scared of brown people. 

No one is super scared of brown people.

Americans of all colors are just fed up with them. They want to come here and turn this country into the shite hole that they left.

They want us to adopt their culture. Why should we put our signs in English and Spanish?When they open a business they don't put their signs in English.

Here is where you are making your mistake. We don't owe brown people a damn thing simply because they are brown.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:20 am to
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Who hires juan?

Put them in jail 30 days.

End of drama.




You don't want them sent back to Mexico so they can earn a living, but you don't want them to be able to work here, either?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:30 am to
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Most of them already pay taxes

Not income taxes. They pay taxes that would be paid by American workers already.

Tell you what...as long as we have any American workers out of work I will be against illegals. They are taking jobs that legal, American workers could have. Now, if they are taking jobs that unemployed workers would not do, then we need to kick those American workers off welfare and unemployment. As long as we have unemployed workers and there are jobs available, we do not need illegal workers.

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The criminals employing them are the ones who should be removed from society in this situation.. certainly not some poor blue collared immigrant who is just trying to provide for his family.


They are both breaking the law and they both should go to jail. I have no problem with "poor blue collar workers providing for their families:" as long as they are doing it legally.

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corporate taskmasters

What exactly is a corporate taskmaster'?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:15 pm to
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Tell you what...as long as we have any American workers out of work I will be against illegals. They are taking jobs that legal, American workers could have. Now, if they are taking jobs that unemployed workers would not do, then we need to kick those American workers off welfare and unemployment. As long as we have unemployed workers and there are jobs available, we do not need illegal workers.



Don't know about where you are.. but around here there is no excuse to be unemployed. If anything there is a shortage of low-skilled labor
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:20 pm to
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Don't know about where you are.. but around here there is no excuse to be unemployed. If anything there is a shortage of low-skilled labor




I don't think there is any excuse for it, either. however, we still have people on welfare and taking unemployment.

Seriously, (No trolling) I think most, if not all conservatives would have no problem with welfare, OR unemployment if they could cut the waste could be cut WAAAAAY down. People getting it that either don't need it, or shouldn't be getting it. I wish they would put more money into checking on people that get welfare/unemployment that should not be getting it. Same for disability, and most of the other giveaways. Instead, it seems we just give it away as if there is no bottom to it.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71235 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:23 pm to
This is a problem that's easily solved if we want to solve it.

Hint: A wall doesn't solve this problem.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:25 pm to
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This is a problem that's easily solved if we want to solve it.

Hint: A wall doesn't solve this problem.




Probably not, but people want it as a reminder that people care about this. And, with illegal crossings down 76%, something is working...whether it is the rhetoric or whatever. Even if you don't believe it is this high, it obviously is down. (How would anybody be able to tell?)
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71235 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:28 pm to
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Probably not, but people want it as a reminder that people care about this.


Sure, it makes people feel good, and that's about it.

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And, with illegal crossings down 76%


Unless you have new data, this isn't true.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:32 pm to
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Almost as good as having a law saying they cannot illegally enter our country...but if they break the law and enter the country anyway, we make them legal? Is that like....it's illegal to rob a bank, but if you insist on robbing said bank you can keep the money? talk about making perfect sense.

Name me a country that has no immigration laws. Then name me one country that once their laws are broken, they allow the lawbreaker access to becoming a citizen.


Who has suggested that there be no laws concerning immigration? This by far the worst thing the left has ever done to this nation....they have dragged the right into the hyperbole of absolutes...

No one is suggesting there be no immigration laws. What is the only logical solution is to make it possible for people to come here to live and work legally without becoming citizens just because they are here and, and this is the important part, make it a serious crime to be here living and working illegally, and, even more importantly, working or trading with in any manner someone who is here illegally.

Western Europe had this problem when the soviet union failed....folks from Eastern Europe flooded western Europe. Of course the initial idiotic reaction was to build walls and borders and to lock 'em up....but then the Europeans did the most brilliant of all things...they allowed them to live and work in Western Europe LEGALLY...and made it a VERY serious crime to be doing so illegally...so if you don't have the VISA and you are working you will be jailed...and, most importantly your landlord will be jailed and heavily fined, your employer will also and even you bank is subject to fines for trading with you....because the problem with illegal immigration ain't the immigration part it is the illegal part....having a permanent underclass of invisible people living and working under the table in any nation is a bad idea...they will be subjected to all sorts of exploitation and will exploit one another....which leads to all sorts of civil unrest.


If we removed all of the illegals in the US today....somehow magically they just departed like the HBO series....the US economy would go into a nose dive the likes of which a Western republic has never seen....wages would be so high in some industries that it would be impossible to pay for any of those kinds of services...it is simply a pipe dream based on mistrust at best and hate at worse.

The correct course of action is to issue legal credentials to live and work here and if you are caught without them you go to jail and anyone who should have known you were breaking the law goes with you...most especially your employer, your landlord and your car dealer and banker....once the exploitabilty of illegal immigrants is removed their luster to employers is much less attractive...what we need is a wall...a wall built from a single piece of paper, wallet sized, that says that Juan is in this country legally and is entitled to work in this country legally...
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