re: Supreme Court rules against 'Straw Purchasers' of Guns

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Unless of course he buys a black market weapon with the blessing of the ATF.

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Unlike drugs, 99.9% of black market guns started with a legal gun purchase. Now many are stolen, but many are purchased through what essentially is a straw purchase or perhaps a very careless one.

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Well, the thread title is a little misleading

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I simply quoted USA Today's headline, it's not my words.

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In F&F you had the DOJ tell the ATF to allow the straw purchase of guns. Those straw purchases were illegal. Those purchases resulted in those guns being brought into Mexico killing people. Righties are furious, forgetting their mantra that gun laws don't work and criminals will get guns and that guns don't kill people, people kill people, and want Holders head for this. Yet they want to do away with the very laws they attack Holder for not enforcing.

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Difference 1 - in this case, no person precluded from purchasing the weapon (i.e. the intent of the law) got a weapon as a result of this straw purchase.

Difference 2 - In F&F the law was supposed to stop the exact transactions that were occurring - i.e. the dealers said, "Hey, ATF guys, we think these are illegal straw purchases. What should we do?"

There was no suspicion in the instant case, neither was there an actual transfer to the precluded person.

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then blame the Obama administration for the deaths of those killed by guns purchased in fast and furious, an ATF operation which allowed illegal straw purchases?

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Difference 3 - Obama and Holder ARE responsible for those deaths - which were preventable if the gun laws on the books had actually been enforced. No deaths occurred in the instant case.

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SpidermanTUba

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Didn't we all agree that you were going to stay away from gun topics?

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guns don't kill people - people kill people - unless those guns came from OBama?

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No. People killed people in that case. Obama, Holder and the people they allowed to be armed, despite knowing for a fact they were involved in criminal gang activity.

That's a far cry from demonizing guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens or in responding to a mass shooting by attempting to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it.

Aren't you supposed to avoid gun topics? Because you're really out of your element, here, Donnie.

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Amazing how the words "shall not be infringed" are just forgotten. Just words written on a paper to some I guess.

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Amazing how the words "well regulated militia" are just forgotten. Just poorly phrased words written on parchment to some I guess.

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No they aren't. The identity of gun owners is tracked in any well regulated militia.

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You missed the comma.

I have the right to bear arms outside of a militia. If you don't agree, you're more than welcome to come try to take them.

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The reason gun ownership advocates are so easy to get a rise out of is because they understand the end game for those opposed to guns is the outright banning of private ownership.

Compromise is not wise because there is no point at which those opposed to private ownership will say "OK. Good enough." Every compromise gun owners make is just a slow walk to an outright ban.

I've heard it compared to smokers. Smokers were smoking in the restaurant and at some point were asked if they minded sitting in their own section. They said "Sure." Then they were asked to sit out on the patio and they said "Sure." Then they were asked to not smoke in the patio section and to go completely outside to smoke. They said "Sure." Then they were told they couldn't smoke within 30 feet of the entrance. By saying "Sure" they went from their table in the restaurant to halfway down the street in 4 steps.

This is why gun owners don't mind being called reactionary for being upset about what seems to be reasonable compromise. They understand the goals and methods of those that are asking them to compromise.

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Every now and then somebody writes something on this board that is so good you have to read it twice. Not because you didn't understand it the first time, but because you just want to savor the intelligence, insight, and thoughtfulness on display.

Great job, Scoop!

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Every now and then somebody writes something on this board that is so good you have to read it twice. Not because you didn't understand it the first time, but because you just want to savor the intelligence, insight, and thoughtfulness on display.

Great job, Scoop!

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The top reply function for TD admins was designed with excellent posts like that in mind. Make it happen.

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Amazing how the words "well regulated militia" are just forgotten.

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Amazing how the phrase "well regulated militia" is erroneously used by the guns-frighten-me crowd (hint: it's not a qualifier for gun ownership).