re: Supreme Court rules against 'Straw Purchasers' of Guns

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This seems like a wise, sane, prudent decision to me.

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Well, the thread title is a little misleading. 'Straw purchases' are legal purchases for people who are not qualified to buy guns. I don't think that applies here.

Reading more, it appears that Abramski received cash in hand from the other individual before making the purchase and used his LEO discount when buying the gun. When he answered the question on 4473 'Are you the actual buyer' he said 'Yes,' however the money changing hands before the purchase proved he had a different intent.

Long story short, he could have received the money for the purchase AFTER the sale and this would have never gone to court.

I am anxious to see how this will be used to possibly infringe on private sales however...

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The ATF didn't sell guns.

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THAT is your best rebuttal?!

The ATF "encouraged" gun dealers to do exactly what I wrote even in cases where the gun dealers had reservations about who they were being asked to sell the guns to.

And then one of those guns was used to kill an American border patrol officer and 210 people total have either been killed or wounded by those weapons.

Your argument is just wrong......as I stated in my first post.

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Operation Fast and Furious was run out of an Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives field office in Arizona. The plan was to sell guns to buyers and trace them in the black market as the crossed the U.S.-Mexico border, with the expectation they would lead federal officials to drug cartel leaders.

However, hundreds of guns were lost in the operation. And roughly 210 people have either been killed or wounded by them, according to Mexican officials.

In addition, U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was fatally shot.

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What you are missing is the fact that the guns were walked into Mexico without any plans to track the weapons once they were across the border. The other problem was that the straw purchaser was allowed by ATF to purchase the guns even though he was on the suspect list.

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I'm not missing this at all. I favor these laws for the very reasons you mentioned. But if we have no such laws, then we couldn't track the weapons and anyone could make the straw purchases for the cartel.

I'm not the one claiming the 2d A allows this. Your buddies here are. If Congress cannot make laws infringing, then you'll have F&F On roids

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A number of Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) gun dealers in the Phoenix area routinely contacted ATF when they noticed suspicious customers attempting purchases; for example, someone ordering large numbers of AK-47 variant rifles and other so-called "weapons of choice" used by the Mexican drug cartels, and paying with large sums of cash brought in a paper bag. But starting in fall 2009, instead of stopping the transactions or questioning the customers, ATF often encouraged select gun dealers to go ahead and complete suspicious sales. ATF further asked the gun dealers to continue to cooperate by selling to the suspicious customers repeatedly, and providing ATF with names and weapons' serial numbers. Several gun dealers expressed concerns to ATF: they worried if they cooperated in selling guns to suspected criminals, they would later be unfairly blamed or even prosecuted, and that some of the weapons might be used one day to murder federal agents.

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The problem wasn't the "straw purchases". It was the buyers themselves. The buyers were on suspect lists. The ATF encouraged the purchases to go through. Then once the purchases went through the guns were not tracked.

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No one is coming to take them away.

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Good grief.

Go tell this to gun owners in New York and report back with the responses you receive.

fricking this. Brain damaged fricks want to gloss this over.

I correctly understand Junky:

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Amazing how the words "shall not be infringed" are just forgotten. Just words written on a paper to some I guess.

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The laws the ATF encouraged (to use Russian's words) to violate are an infringement on the 2d Amendment. If you oppose such an infringement, then you oppose the laws you complain the ATF didn't enforce.

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How can Righties claim that laws against straw purchases are violations of the 2nd Amendment on one hand

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Do you have a link to where 'righties' are trying to make straw purchases legal?

Remember, a straw purchase is the purchase of a gun by a qualified individual to knowingly give / sell to someone who isn't qualified to purchase / own a gun.

Take as much time as you need.