re: Single payer system

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A much more elegant, not to mention cheaper, solution that also acknowledges the coming robotic revolution AND deals with Social Security and Medicare is a UBI.

Let' make sure qualifying Americans have a basic income of $24K a year , no welfare programs to supplement that, means tested or otherwise and buy your own insurance.

How about that?

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That equates to 7.2 trillion dollars a year. We are no where near the GDP Per Capita level nor automation level that is needed in order to make Universal Basic Income a reality. I would not believe this to be possible until at least 2075. True automation that will put people out of jobs faster than it creates new jobs will not happen until we have invented/discover true AI and companies have implemented them on all three operational, strategic, and tactical levels of running a business.

No. We need to cut spending on all government programs across the board by at least 30% immediately (especially Medicaid). Also they are going to have to extend the ages of people before they can start collecting social security and stop paying out at all to people who make over a certain threshold from retirement. They are also going to have to stop using the excess SS tax funds to buy Treasury bonds, turning it into general revenue they can spend on pork. All tax revenues from SS in excess of payments has to immediately go into profitable investments which are not going to have to be paid back with interest by the government ( if they had been doing this all asking like they we supposed to the SS trust fund would be paying it's obligations from interest on investments alone). Of course none of this is going to happen (may already be too late) and instead they are going to just keep increasing the debt ceiling until we have to default and we get a world wide great depression.

Trump is already making bigly progress on the debt.

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You are pro-single payer?

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Yes or a better public option at least.

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You must include their board of directors salaries and stocks.

I got to go to lunch but I will read the post where you school me in about an hour.

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You must include their board of directors salaries and stocks.

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Goal post move.

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That equates to 7.2 trillion dollars a year. We are no where near the GDP Per Capita level nor automation level that is needed in order to make Universal Basic Income a reality. I would not believe this to be possible until at least 2075. True automation that will put people out of jobs faster than it creates new jobs will not happen until we have invented/discover true AI and companies have implemented them on all three operational, strategic, and tactical levels of running a business.

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No it doesn't. Your figures assume giving EVERY American $2K a month. I don't propose that at all. I propose making sure every AMerican has at least $2K a month in income. Let's use some examples.

Assume a single person earning zero a year. That person would receive the full $48K a year

Assume another person earning $28K a year. That person would receive $20K a year.

Assume another person earning $50K a year. That person would get ZERO per year.

Children do not qualify , so a family will just have to make due with parents income.

People in prison do not qualify so that eliminates another roughly 9M people.

The total cost would probably be closer to $3T a year. A lot of money yes , but not an insurmountable amount given how many problems this potentially solves

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Assume a single person earning zero a year. That person would receive the full $48K a year

Assume another person earning $28K a year. That person would receive $20K a year.

Assume another person earning $50K a year. That person would get ZERO per year.

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Ahhh yes, the NUBI. A non-universal basic income where people get up in the morning to go to their $55K/year jobs instead of collecting the free $48K.

If I make just under the line, do I have an incentive to work hard for a raise?