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re: President seemed to have good reason to visit the fallen SEAL
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:13 pm to Tiguar
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:13 pm to Tiguar
This article is bullshite. I've worked in the military for 10 years and even worked in the CENTCOM area of responsibility. They, especially the SpecOps community, would not present a military operation to the President where there were not sufficient intel and ground work done. That stuff has to go through several field grade officers and generals, and if anyone is going to scrutinize the shite out of a plan and cares about loss of life, it is certainly them.
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:13 pm to 90proofprofessional
From what I've read it sounds like a successful raid on a terrorist cell. People will sometimes die in military raids. It's a dangerous job
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:15 pm to 90proofprofessional
Until I see an declassified OPORD. I can not make judgement on how this OP was ran. I do know that several terrorist were killes including a Senior member and mass amount of intelligence were secured from the site.
With it sitting under Obama for so long, the time to execute was probably dire and the outcome anticipated.
With it sitting under Obama for so long, the time to execute was probably dire and the outcome anticipated.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:15 pm to 90proofprofessional
I'm sure it couldn't have. But he wasn't the only one thinking the risk/benefits were acceptable.
I'm fine laying blame where it's deserved but this is a hack interpretation of the article.
Trump was going to do the same thing the Obama administration was going to do. If you want to call trump an irresponsible hot-head, then so was Obama. Fine by me. Let's see if trump learns from his errors.
I'm fine laying blame where it's deserved but this is a hack interpretation of the article.
Trump was going to do the same thing the Obama administration was going to do. If you want to call trump an irresponsible hot-head, then so was Obama. Fine by me. Let's see if trump learns from his errors.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:15 pm to scormi5
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They, especially the SpecOps community, would not present a military operation to the President where there were not sufficient intel and ground work done. That stuff has to go through several field grade officers and generals, and if anyone is going to scrutinize the shite out of a plan and cares about loss of life, it is certainly them.
And how does that jive with CENTCOM's public statements? My experience is comparable to yours btw, and a couple of years of mine was under CENTCOM
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:17 pm to Tiguar
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I'm fine laying blame where it's deserved but this is a hack interpretation of the article.
How so? Is there anything to blame anyone for?
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:18 pm to 90proofprofessional
What is the implication of your thread title?
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:19 pm to Tiguar
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What is the implication of your thread title?
That he might have felt personally responsible to a degree
Which I would say is a noble instinct, btw
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:21 pm to 90proofprofessional
OK. Do you think he should feel as though an error in judgement was made?
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:21 pm to 90proofprofessional
I'm having a difficult time figuring out what your point is in the OP.
Are you saying the military presented a plan to Trump which included their warning that the operation was "without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations" and he said do it anyway?
Or, are you saying the operation didn't have "sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations" and Trump didn't know that and ordered it?
Help me out here what you're attempting to accomplish with this thread.
Are you saying the military presented a plan to Trump which included their warning that the operation was "without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations" and he said do it anyway?
Or, are you saying the operation didn't have "sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations" and Trump didn't know that and ordered it?
Help me out here what you're attempting to accomplish with this thread.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:28 pm to Tiguar
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Do you think he should feel as though an error in judgement was made?
I don't think it's humanly possible for the President to micromanage every single thing he signs off on to that degree. Still, being the final word on that stuff is part of the job and it's why people like him WANT that job. I'd probably feel guilty personally. But I don't want that job. But no, I don't think it's fair to blame him.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:29 pm to 90proofprofessional
Alright then. I apologize for the accusatory tinge of Otto's thread clouding my perception of yours.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:29 pm to 90proofprofessional
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I don't think it's fair to blame him.
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President seemed to have good reason to visit the fallen SEAL
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:34 pm to 90proofprofessional
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I think blaming Trump is unfair
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:34 pm to 90proofprofessional
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But no, I don't think it's fair to blame him.
That's exactly what you have been insinuating this entire thread, to claim otherwise is just being disingenuous at best.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:39 pm to 90proofprofessional
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covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.
Sounds exactly like what elite forces are trained for.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:42 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
quote:It was the next moonless night after Obama admin approved it. LINK
The raid was delayed for operational reasons, the White House official said. I wonder why?
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:47 pm to 90proofprofessional
quote:This invalidates the entire article. Seriously. Someone who writes something like this has no grasp of SOF missions today. None. They are just looking for a reason to grind away at President Trump.
U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:49 pm to LSURussian
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like I said, he might feel personally responsible to a degree. if i were president and felt that way, i'd make an unannounced trip too
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:49 pm to Wolfhound45
I am failing to see how this is a "failed raid"? To see a failed raid look at the hostage rescue in Iran.
Are we expecting perfection and no injuries now in military? If so, nobody, and I mean nobody, can be perfect.
If the DOD NSC, and others said go and the SEALS said go, then it is a go. They know what the consequences are in this. This is not a video game it is real life, and in real life people die in service of the country.
In my opinion, the public does not need to know about these type raids at all. There are some things that need to be kept silent.
Are we expecting perfection and no injuries now in military? If so, nobody, and I mean nobody, can be perfect.
If the DOD NSC, and others said go and the SEALS said go, then it is a go. They know what the consequences are in this. This is not a video game it is real life, and in real life people die in service of the country.
In my opinion, the public does not need to know about these type raids at all. There are some things that need to be kept silent.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 2:54 pm
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