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re: President seemed to have good reason to visit the fallen SEAL
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:04 pm to 90proofprofessional
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:04 pm to 90proofprofessional
From what Spicer was saying, the operation was planned out back in November and got approvals in December and January, waiting for the first dark night to strike (which happened under Trump). Trump got everything reapproved and moved forward.
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:04 pm to 90proofprofessional
I often wonder how the left would react if we had a real war like WW2 where decisions like the invasion of Normandy had to be made, knowing your sending half the troops into certain death.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:05 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Literally FAKE NEWS
Y'all the article says the Obama admin didn't execute in hopes of getting better intel first
I think blaming Trump is unfair, if that happens
But trying to blame the Obama admin is risible
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:05 pm to 90proofprofessional
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imagine what it would be like if this happened under Obama.
The fools on here are already blaming Obama for this failed raid. It is to laugh.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:06 pm to The Spleen
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What exactly does this mean?
SEALs and other SF like to operate during a new moon for total stealth.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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A White House official said the operation was thoroughly vetted by the previous administration and that the previous defense secretary had signed off on it in January. The raid was delayed for operational reasons, the White House official said.
Sounds more like Obama sabotaged trump into a bad situation. Disgusting.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:07 pm to 90proofprofessional
Is that how you interpret "thoroughly vetting and signing off on, but delaying for operational reasons"?
Fascinating.
Fascinating.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:07 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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The fools on here are already blaming Obama for this failed raid. It is to laugh.
Acting like it's okay with them all of a sudden for Trump to just blindly go forward with something Obama's crew "thoroughly vetted"
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:08 pm to Tiguar
Sorry but I'm taking that with a grain of salt
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:08 pm to 90proofprofessional
Operations like this take weeks or months to put together. the articles i read yesterday say the operation was approved by Obama, but due to some logistical issues, it was delayed and then had to be re-approved by Trump to go forward.
I sure the military/intelligence agencies had strong belief that the operation was ready, but you never know 100% what you are running into. I dont put blame either at Obama or Trump.
Either way, an American die after a president gave mission authorization, then the president that issues the order met the family of the fallen to give his condolences. As it should be whom ever is in that position/.
I sure the military/intelligence agencies had strong belief that the operation was ready, but you never know 100% what you are running into. I dont put blame either at Obama or Trump.
Either way, an American die after a president gave mission authorization, then the president that issues the order met the family of the fallen to give his condolences. As it should be whom ever is in that position/.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:08 pm to Tiguar
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Is that how you interpret "thoroughly vetting and signing off on, but delaying for operational reasons"?
Fascinating.
Not as fascinating as the article you failed to fully read.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The question is was Trump advised to go forth with the mission or advised to not go forth?
If they advised him to do it then it's not on Trump. This was merely a casualty of war. If trump was advised to not go forward, and he did anyway, then it was a poor decision that hopefully he learned from.
If they advised him to do it then it's not on Trump. This was merely a casualty of war. If trump was advised to not go forward, and he did anyway, then it was a poor decision that hopefully he learned from.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:08 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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The fools on here are already blaming Obama for this failed raid.
At least we aren't blaming Bush...
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:09 pm to 90proofprofessional
So I don't have to point this out a fourth time for the non-readers:
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One of the three U.S. officials said on-the-ground surveillance of the compound was “minimal, at best.”
“The decision was made ... to leave it to the incoming administration, partly in the hope that more and better intelligence could be collected,” that official said.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:09 pm to 90proofprofessional
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U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.
As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.
The Pentagon directed queries about the officials' characterization of the raid to U.S. Central Command, which pointed only to its statement on Wednesday.
"CENTCOM asks for operations we believe have a good chance for success and when we ask for authorization we certainly believe there is a chance of successful operations based on our planning," CENTCOM spokesman Colonel John Thomas said.
When you're the CinC, everything is your fault, good or bad.
That said, Trump isn't the one writing the intelligence reports.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:10 pm to 90proofprofessional
I read the full article the first time Otto posted this and disappeared from the thread after this excerpt was posted.
Either you believe the trump white house or you don't, but they claim the previous adminstration signed off on it.
It's a non-starter. Nothing to discuss because it depends on who you believe.
Either you believe the trump white house or you don't, but they claim the previous adminstration signed off on it.
It's a non-starter. Nothing to discuss because it depends on who you believe.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:11 pm to cokebottleag
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When you're the CinC, everything is your fault, good or bad.
yes that's the deal, and he's "responsible" in that way
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That said, Trump isn't the one writing the intelligence reports.
the question of adequate intel before the go-ahead is the issue
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:11 pm to 90proofprofessional
I guess the previous secretary shouldn't have signed off on it 
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:12 pm to Tiguar
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Nothing to discuss because it depends on who you believe.
Oh I'm happy to pick a centcom spox over a press secretary fo sho
Posted on 2/2/17 at 2:12 pm to Tiguar
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I guess the previous secretary shouldn't have signed off on it
could the mission have proceeded without trump's go-ahead, or couldn't it have?
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