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re: Obama "Health care isn't expensive just cancel your cable and phone"
Posted on 3/12/14 at 9:14 pm to pistolpete23
Posted on 3/12/14 at 9:14 pm to pistolpete23
I agree with Obama on this, but it's a last ditch ploy
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:32 am to SmackoverHawg
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Gotta back O on this one. Conservatives push personal responsibility, I for one applaud him if he said this.
Conservatives also push freedom to choose. ACA is a mandate. Square peg, round hole.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 6:49 am to ItNeverRains
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Conservatives also push freedom to choose. ACA is a mandate. Square peg, round hole.
I'm not opposed to the mandate either. Those of us with insurance are already paying more to offset those who don't then utilize the system. We require auto insurance and no one bitches. If you don't want it, pay the fine. My problem with Obamacare is that it penalizes those that already had insurance by making it more expensive in order to transfer money to those who don't. I've had zero people buy Obamacare. The only ones I've seen get insured are those with multiple problems who chose not to have insurance and are now getting it for FREE. It also does not allow us to buy insurance across state lines. It was supposed to encourage competition amongst insurances, but it doesn't. In fact, here in Arkansas your only choice is Blue Cross.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 7:20 am to SmackoverHawg
I'm loving the Obama defenders in this thread. Yeah. Sure. What he said matches up with what conservatives have ALWAYS said?
Great. When the frick did HE discover the concept? He dumb frick Obama. Guess what. This applied to A LOT of things low income folks bitch about. Food is easier to buy if you don't have cable or a smart phone either but let some conservative say that shite anytime in the past and the left acts like we hate poor people and don't want them to have any fun.
frick the entire batch of lying bull shite artist and their dear fricking asswipe leader.
Great. When the frick did HE discover the concept? He dumb frick Obama. Guess what. This applied to A LOT of things low income folks bitch about. Food is easier to buy if you don't have cable or a smart phone either but let some conservative say that shite anytime in the past and the left acts like we hate poor people and don't want them to have any fun.
frick the entire batch of lying bull shite artist and their dear fricking asswipe leader.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 7:26 am to SmackoverHawg
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I'm not opposed to the mandate either.
I am. I prefer freedom.
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Those of us with insurance are already paying more to offset those who don't then utilize the system.
I agree, although this is not specific to healthcare, that's how taxes work.
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We require auto insurance and no one bitches
Arkansas can Arkansas anyway they want to, just like Texas can choose not to require it.
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If you don't want it, pay the fine.
Ah, freedom.
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My problem with Obamacare is that it penalizes those that already had insurance by making it more expensive in order to transfer money to those who don't. I've had zero people buy Obamacare. The only ones I've seen get insured are those with multiple problems who chose not to have insurance and are now getting it for FREE. It also does not allow us to buy insurance across state lines. It was supposed to encourage competition amongst insurances, but it doesn't. In fact, here in Arkansas your only choice is Blue Cross.
I agree, except it was never intended to encourage competition, which is why the BCBS' of the world supported the law.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 7:47 am to Adam Banks
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So you're mad for Obama pushing personal responsibility?
come on, man
Posted on 3/13/14 at 7:56 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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If I step into an open elevator shaft on the 70th floor...I need not wait until I hit the ground to realize I've made a bad mistake
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 7:57 am
Posted on 3/13/14 at 7:56 am to Adam Banks
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So for the record you would rather someone pay for cable tv rather than health insurance?
No, for the record, I would rather have free will to make a choice on my own. If you are asking if I want to pay higher cable fees so bums can get free cable, the answer is NO
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:08 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Holy frick!!
I'd rather my Gov not MANDATE either.
I agree 100%...in Utopia there would be no need for any sort of mandate about health care because every one would be responsible enough not to make the decision to play the odds and live without it. Your point is well taken.
So are you OK with turning away the uninsured when they present themselves at an emergency room for treatment?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:11 am to germandawg
quote:Meh.
So are you OK with turning away the uninsured when they present themselves at an emergency room for treatment?
It would be simpler if when someone who doesn't have insurance gets care that when the bill shows up, if they can't pay, you garnish their wages or govt help at a rate equal to the amount they pay for elective expenses like smart phones and cable.
Would that cover the entire bill? Nah. But, it would certainly send a different message than the one we send today that says "go ahead, make all the irresponsible choices you want......we'll cover ya".
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:23 am to Adam Banks
quote:It isn't personal responsibility. It's paternalism.
So you're mad for Obama pushing personal responsibility?
The reality is, he could have made the exact same statement pre-Obamacare, and it would have eliminated the primary reason for it.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:30 am to germandawg
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So are you OK with turning away the uninsured when they present themselves at an emergency room for treatment?
go to Our Lady of the Lake....they won't turn you away
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:32 am to germandawg
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So are you OK with turning away the uninsured when they present themselves at an emergency room for treatment?
1) Yes
2)
Was THAT the status quo BEFORE GOV decided to mandate this absolutely horrible piece of bullshite legislation? silliness
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:39 am to jamboybarry
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o you're mad for Obama pushing personal responsibility?
To pay for mandated health insurance
I have to agree w/Obama on this. You want these folks to spend their extra cash on shite that should be a luxury for the poor, so that they can have free healthcare thats paid for by everyone else?
frick that. Those are the folks who are bringing down the system becuase hospitals cant turn them away and they cant pay.
plus they qualify for subsidies, so they got help.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 8:42 am
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:41 am to BobBoucher
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I have to agree w/Obama on this. You want these folks to spend their extra cash on shite that should be a luxury for the poor, so that they can have free healthcare coverage thats paid for by everyone else?
frick that. Those are the folks who are bringing down the system becuase hospitals cant turn them away and they cant pay.
The OP was about a response to a questioner who says she HAD a policy that was not 'up to standards' of the ACA. The "standards" forced the insurance cost to increase...THAT is the complaint that O says "stop buying cable" for.
JEEBUS!!
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From OP
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the requirement to buy the broad policy rather than something a little more economical — say, hospitalization coverage combined with an HSA, a strategy which is now all but illegal — makes it impossible to comply.
So, the premise of the question is that some people had hospitalization policies and NOW have to pay for 'higher coverage' policies. THAT is the argument in this thread.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 8:44 am
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:44 am to Adam Banks
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Obama pushing personal responsibility
ObamaCare is the polar opposite of "personal responsibility."
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:44 am to BobBoucher
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I have to agree w/Obama on this. You want these folks to spend their extra cash on shite that should be a luxury for the poor, so that they can have free healthcare thats paid for by everyone else?
frick that. Those are the folks who are bringing down the system becuase hospitals cant turn them away and they cant pay.
How do you know? For all you know a number of these people could have carried low premium catastrophic policies in order to afford other luxuries. Maybe thy received employer-provides healthcare that is not now available due to Obamacare. Now they don't even have a choice. Anyone that agrees with Obama on this point is just as dense or willfully ignorant as he is.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:44 am to Adam Banks
You don't remember the assertion that prices would not increase as you just polished the knob in his defense.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:48 am to BobBoucher
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I have to agree w/Obama on this. You want these folks to spend their extra cash on shite that should be a luxury for the poor, so that they can have free healthcare coverage thats paid for by everyone else? frick that. Those are the folks who are bringing down the system becuase hospitals cant turn them away and they cant pay.
Yes, thankfully we tax paying citizens will all have better coverage with less expense by adding even more bureaucracy to the healthcare system and the poors getting Obamacare for the price of cable.
The phones are free, remember?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 8:51 am to Rickety Cricket
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Maybe thy received employer-provides healthcare that is not now available due to Obamacare. Now they don't even have a choice. Anyone that agrees with Obama on this point is just as dense or willfully ignorant as he is.
This does change the equation - if they already were covered. cant fault them and it does suck that they have to pay more, but now they should get subsidies so isnt it possible they could actually have better care for less?
i still agree with the overall goal of the healthcare law (whether or not its accomplishing it successfully) which is(was) intended to protect consumers from being dropped when they are seriously ill and need insurance or being denied insurance, etc.
it would be great if there were a way to keep those types of provisions without the madate. However without the mandate the cost would probably be prohibitive.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 8:55 am
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