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re: Here's where AG Sessions is: DOJ announces crackdown on opioid abuse by doctors

Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:28 pm to
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:28 pm to
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No, here's what I'm referring to. From the FDA.
Well yeah. We know that overuse of antibiotics leads to resistance. This FDA link is just reiterating that point.

It's not a government crackdown on physicians.

Like anything else, some physicians may take a different stance on their prescribing methods than others, but that's not a government mandate or crackdown.

I suspect your physician has taken a harder stance than others.

Edit: I noticed you said it was a recommendation in another post, so we appear to be in agreement.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 6:31 pm
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:29 pm to
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Here's where AG Sessions is: DOJ announces crackdown on opioid abuse by doctors by


Muh drug war...


This isn't saving money. This is sanctimonious bullshite, a Sessions special.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:30 pm to
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That isn't a strawman. That is over half the reason so many people are fricked up from pills.

Go after these doctors that strung people out and turned them to heroin once their supply dried up.


This is leftist logic.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:33 pm to
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This is leftist logic.


I'll remember this date as the first time I've ever been accused of leftist logic.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:34 pm to
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I'll remember this date as the first time I've ever been accused of leftist logic.


Sorry dude, but it's straight out of the leftist playbook.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:37 pm to
You don't think MD's share part of the responsibility for creating these addicts?
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70997 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:40 pm to
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This is leftist logic.


When did "more government is not the answer" become leftist logic?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35476 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:42 pm to
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How the hell are they going to crack down on opiods and doctors? Doctors are skittish as hell already and being stingy as all get out already over the last few years.

PCP's won't even mess with patients with chronic pain anymore as far as handling their opiods. They farm those patients out to pain management.

They don't call in Rx anymore. They require hard scripts and an office visit. PCPs can't do refills. 30 day rx at a time.

The doctors have been roped in as much as they can be.

The restrictions over the last few years are already causing misery on legit chronic pain pts. Any more of a crack down is gonna do no good.

All of this. At this point, the vast majority of the public is suffering because of the actions of the addicts (who still, apparently, are able to get all they need).
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:51 pm to
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I'll take one for my family, first and foremost. And if I can't function and do what I need to do for them, that's no good.


The purpose of antibiotics should shift to saving lives rather than making someone that is otherwise healthy feel better faster. The long term ramnifications of the broad over use antibiotics far outweigh your isolated concerns.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:56 pm to
Arresting people is, by definition, "more government".

The solution to all of this is deregulation with resources spent on rehabilitation and avoidance.

Docs committing fraud are doing do because of the regulations creating a system to even be defrauded.

I wonder what would happen if the concept of scheduled drugs went "poof" and half of the budget spent on arresting people was instead spent on treating addiction.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134845 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:59 pm to
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I agree - build some gallows.

You'd be a great Sharia Law judge
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:03 pm to
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Arresting people is, by definition, "more government".
Exactly and "less government," is a disturbingly hypocritical stance argued by both sides when it's convenient. The last year and half has revealed this hypocrisy.
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I wonder what would happen if the concept of scheduled drugs went "poof" and half of the budget spent on arresting people was instead spent on treating addiction.
And at the very least the classification of drugs was based on evidence and research, not some arbitrary government designation decades ago.

When the most addictive and lethal drugs have the classification of a drug on the opposite side of those spectrums whole more lethal and addictive drugs are legal, the classification system should be either thrown out or revamped dramatically.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 7:06 pm
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:04 pm to
It really has. The last year or so has been great to find out who's a pretender and who's not around here
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:10 pm to
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It really has. The last year or so has been great to find out who's a pretender and who's not around here
And it explains why the traditional definitions of ideologies existed. Conservatism really isn't about smaller government at its core, but I had believed it was.

Or maybe we could use cptbengal's definitions. Against a Trump policy or agenda? Then you are prog filth. I recently learned Amash was prog filth. And apparently I've been prog filth for quite some time.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:11 pm to
Someone not too long ago called bama-fricking-rep a leftist shill.

I was stunned
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50395 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:13 pm to
This is great news. The "doctors" feeding our national pill problem need to be treated exactly like drug dealers.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:13 pm to
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You don't think MD's share part of the responsibility for creating these addicts?


I think that making drugs illegal substances is a nanny state proposal, and that the government should have no say in a doctor patient relationship.

I think that what patients put in their body is their business and their responsibility, regardless of who sells it to them. I think the hard drug addiction problem is actually exacerbated by the prosecution of doc feelgoods and the prohibition of other cleaner options.

I think blaming the merchant for what the consumer does is wrong, a fact we seem to recognize for gun issues but not opiods. For some reason or another.

Yes, it is morally repugnant for a doc to knowingly prescribe unnecessary drugs. But, barring fraud or coercion, he should face no legal repercussions. The public outrage is regulation enough, assuming we live in my world where drugs aren't a felony.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 7:16 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50395 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:14 pm to
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Yes, it is morally repugnant for a doc to knowingly prescribe unnecessary drugs, but barring fraud or coercion, he should face no legal repercussions.


Prescribing someone on medicaid or medicare into pill dependency is fraud imo. Hard to imagine any conservative being against this type of crackdown.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 7:16 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111507 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:15 pm to
That's not how it works.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:15 pm to
Very simple solution here that will save the taxpayers way more than $1b....
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