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re: Half of the U.S. Population lives in these counties.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 12:29 pm to SidewalkDawg
Posted on 8/8/17 at 12:29 pm to SidewalkDawg
They are not liberal.
They are opportunistic, their goal is to extract provincial wealth by forced transfer to their entrapped consumer base.
They are opportunistic, their goal is to extract provincial wealth by forced transfer to their entrapped consumer base.
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 12:34 pm to SidewalkDawg
quote:well they kind of have to... Small towns across America are dying off and they need all the help they can get
Most small town people are wary of outsiders, but they make an effort to accept them.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 12:35 pm to Eli Goldfinger
I like to make money, as much as I can.
Where's that on the chart?
Where's that on the chart?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 12:41 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
ll he didn't say every city would be 60/40, he said:
Well, I would never have assumed that.
quote:Where do you get "most" from in his sentence?
In most of those places, save for the Northeast and West Coast, 60/40 is pretty close to accurate
I don't care about "most".
In the liberal enclaves, it is absolutely possible to be in a complete fricking bubble.
Now I know you'll bring up rural bubbles and they exist. But, unlike the people living in the liberal bubbles, the only way a rural person avoids liberal thought is to turn off all media!!
Posted on 8/8/17 at 12:43 pm to cahoots
quote:
Yeah, the LGBT crowd is fleeing America's urban areas and being taken in by small towns.
Is it your contention that small towns don't accept LGBT? Why would they be fleeing urban area's? I don't understand your post.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 12:43 pm to Crimson Wraith
quote:
Gubment housing, freebies, etc.
Have you ever looked at housing prices in major cities? They're through the roof. The majority of people in major metro areas aren't getting any of that.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 12:51 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Of course. I just don't think the liberal bubbles are as prominent as some argue.
In the liberal enclaves, it is absolutely possible to be in a complete fricking bubble.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 1:40 pm to Crimson Wraith
quote:
Gubment housing, freebies, etc.
Yep, that's why I live in a city; the abundant and cheap government housing and "freebies".
Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:25 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Of course. I just don't think the liberal bubbles are as prominent as some argue.
I guess I need to know what you mean by prominent.
I mean, it's damned close to true that a liberal woman has a better chance of being raped in Seattle than she does of even meeting a conservative guy.
DC Metro isn't really much better.
Portland
Madison, WI
And, frankly, when you get away from just throwing a city border around it.......which can create some error by roping in a couple of conservative burbs............you can get some areas where a nuclear attack could be rightly described as targeting ONLY liberals.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:34 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Now I know you'll bring up rural bubbles and they exist. But, unlike the people living in the liberal bubbles, the only way a rural person avoids liberal thought is to turn off all media!!
Unless the rural person lives on a diet of Fox News, Breitbart, this board, etc.
Rural people are much more in the bubble than urban. It's not even close.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:43 pm to BamaAtl
quote:I disagree. It comes down to individual issues you are exposed to.
Rural people are much more in the bubble than urban. It's not even close.
Rural communities have historically been based on farming and manufacturing, while urban settings have historically been based on merchants, trading, finances, services, etc.
Someone's view of NAFTA, for example, is going to based on where they live.
And when it comes to access to hear opposing view points, how is New Orleans or New York (sans staten island) any better than rural counties. Trump got around 20% in our cities, clinton got around 20% in our rural counties.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
I disagree. It comes down to individual issues you are exposed to.
And you're exposed to both a larger variety and absolute number of issues living in a dense urban environment, over a rural one.
Sure, Iowa folks have a much better handle on the price of corn, but that's only one issue.
quote:
And when it comes to access to hear opposing view points, how is New Orleans or New York (sans staten island) any better than rural counties.
Higher density = higher chance of running into diverse opinions. We're not monoliths, even NYC and SF have Republicans running around expressing opinions.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:52 pm to BamaAtl
quote:We live in a specialized world where most of the things we have deep knowledge of are based on our specific job.
And you're exposed to both a larger variety and absolute number of issues living in a dense urban environment, over a rural one.
The biggest issues affecting America- drug addiction, poverty, lack of mobility, decline in families- are as prevalent in our rural areas as they are in our urban areas, if not more so.
It's behind a paywall, but an article in the WSJ had the title "rural, the new inner city"
Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:54 pm to ShortyRob
quote:It was much higher when GoldenNugget lived there.
I mean, it's damned close to true that a liberal woman has a better chance of being raped in Seattle than she does of even meeting a conservative guy.
But Romney got over 250,000 votes in King County, almost 30% of the population.
quote:Well some of the cities I posted (Louisville, Nashville, Virginia Beach), are essentially city-county governments.
And, frankly, when you get away from just throwing a city border around it.......which can create some error by roping in a couple of conservative burbs............you can get some areas where a nuclear attack could be rightly described as targeting ONLY liberals.
But I think the suburb comment is important. They are all part of the same metro, maybe only a block apart, and many from the suburbs work, eat, and play in the city or vice versa. So their geographic boundaries aren't a practical ideological boundary for your enclave argument since people chose the location primarily for other reasons (costs, schools, family).
Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
We live in a specialized world where most of the things we have deep knowledge of are based on our specific job.
But we have friend groups and interactions with people in our community - be it at a neighborhood watch meeting, a bar, a festival, kids stuff, etc.
Population density and sheer volume has some effect on how many diverse opinions you're exposed to, on average. Someone living in Saguache County, Colorado with a population of 6,251 in an area almost 150x the area of the island of Manhattan (with a population of 1.65M) just doesn't have the same chance to run into as many diverse viewpoints as often.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:01 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
But we have friend groups and interactions with people in our community - be it at a neighborhood watch meeting, a bar, a festival, kids stuff, etc.
Population density and sheer volume has some effect on how many diverse opinions you're exposed to, on average. Someone living in Saguache County, Colorado with a population of 6,251 in an area almost 150x the area of the island of Manhattan (with a population of 1.65M) just doesn't have the same chance to run into as many diverse viewpoints as often.
Most cities are highly segregated based on race and income level.
I'm sure you have seen those maps where race is depicted as a colored dot, and placed on a map of a city. Colors are not mixed. Even in cities, blacks live around blacks, asians around asians, whites around whites.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:03 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
Unless the rural person lives on a diet of Fox News, Breitbart, this board, etc.
That person also can't watch basically any movies or TV. .
quote:Than Urban? Yes, you are correct.
Rural people are much more in the bubble than urban. It's not even close.
Than the liberal enclaves like Seattle, Portland, DC Metro, Madison, WI, Chicago? LOL. No. It's not even close.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:08 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Dude. King County? Really?
But Romney got over 250,000 votes in King County, almost 30% of the population.
You're going to rope in all the folks living in the sticks as potential bubble breakers? C'mon.
Look, it's not like they don't even tell us how much of a bubble they're in.
I mean, when they say they "don't know ANYONE who is conservative" or they "don't know ANYONE who voted for Trump(and before that, Bush)"........they're telling the truth.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Most cities are highly segregated based on race and income level.
And rural areas are even more segregated on race/income level. Your point?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:09 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Than Urban? Yes, you are correct.
Than the liberal enclaves like Seattle, Portland, DC Metro, Madison, WI, Chicago? LOL. No. It's not even close.
I'll put Seattle up against bumfrick Oklahoma any day in terms of thickness of bubble.
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