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re: Half of the U.S. Population lives in these counties.

Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:00 am to
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:00 am to
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Also, the color of the shade on this map is not indicative of a political affiliation, it was just the color used.
I get that, but I was actually referencing the election maps, where the blue areas primarily correspond to those urban areas.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:03 am to
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That will never happen. You're confusing city of Dallas with Dallas county.





Collin to outgrow Dallas AND Tarrant County


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Their efforts have attracted people in droves. Since 2000, Collin County's population has grown nearly 90 percent. If that pace continues, the county could double its current population before 2035 and exceed the populations of Dallas and Tarrant counties by 2050.
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Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:04 am to
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The reason they are so liberal is this -- successful whites surrounded by poor blacks feel GUILTY.
So THE REASON they are liberal is because they feel guilty? I know a lot of white liberals, but I don't recall any who have ever expressed "white guilt."
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:09 am to
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So half of all US citizens live in liberal cities. How can there be such a disconnect between rural and urban America?

This is why liberals trying to act like conservatives live in echo chambers is so fricking funny.

Conservatives can avoid hearing liberal ideas in precisely one way.

If they NEVER turn on their TVs, go to the movies or hell, even go outside because even in typically conservative counties, as we saw from the map posted the other day, you have about 30% liberals.

But liberals on the other hand live in fricking liberal stepford enclaves. This is why they will happily pontificate in crowds of people they don't know well with the full expectation that the crowd will agree with them.

For a large number of liberals, bumping in to a conservative idea during the course of their day REQUIRES actively seeking it.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:09 am to
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So THE REASON they are liberal is because they feel guilty? I know a lot of white liberals, but I don't recall any who have ever expressed "white guilt."


Some would argue that ideas such as "White Privilege" come from feelings of "White Guilt".

It's not that they verbally express their guilt. It's written in their actions. Their incessant view that because I'm white there exists some magic privilege that comes with it and not the privilege of class that encompasses all races that become educated and make it out of poverty.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:12 am to
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So THE REASON they are liberal is because they feel guilty? I know a lot of white liberals, but I don't recall any who have ever expressed "white guilt."

I don't know about the circles you run in, but I don't know ANY liberals who aren't good for a solid batch of virtue signaling on the reg.

People virtue signal for exactly ONE reason.

To prove to those around them how good a people they are.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:18 am to
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If that pace continues, the county could double its current population before 2035 and exceed the populations of Dallas and Tarrant counties by 2050.
It's not realistic to think that a county will continue to grow at 3.1% per year for 34 more years (2016 estimate). Dallas County by > 50% per decade for 2 decades in the mid-20th century, then 40%, then about 20% for 3 decades, and 6.7% from 2000 to 2010. Once places get so dense, the growth is limited by a number of factors.

If Dallas County kept the same growth rate as 1990 to 2000, then it would have >400,000 people than the 2016 estimate. But it didn't because that level of growth is not very feasible.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:18 am to
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I don't know about the circles you run in, but I don't know ANY liberals who aren't good for a solid batch of virtue signaling on the reg.
I've seen virtue signaling, but I've never seen "guilt" included.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:20 am to
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It's not realistic to think that a county will continue to grow at 3.1% per year for 34 more years (2016 estimate). Dallas County by > 50% per decade for 2 decades in the mid-20th century, then 40%, then about 20% for 3 decades, and 6.7% from 2000 to 2010. Once places get so dense, the growth is limited by a number of factors.

If Dallas County kept the same growth rate as 1990 to 2000, then it would have >400,000 people than the 2016 estimate. But it didn't because that level of growth is not very feasible.


I know its wrong for me to pull the "do you live here," card but in order to understand that these levels can most definitely happen and are going to happen is to physically see it with your own eyes. Money is flowing with the DNT and housing is a HUGE problem right now.

Edit: For the sake of not derailing the thread, we will just agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 10:23 am
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:22 am to
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Some would argue that ideas such as "White Privilege" come from feelings of "White Guilt".

It's not that they verbally express their guilt. It's written in their actions. Their incessant view that because I'm white there exists some magic privilege that comes with it and not the privilege of class that encompasses all races that become educated and make it out of poverty.
The problem with the privilege argument is that it is based on an outcome but argues a specific negative reason for that better outcome. So white people are probably more privileged than other races, but that doesn't mean it's an inherently negative for white people, or even controllable--especially on the individual level.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:22 am to
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Spokane


the metro is well over half a million people and has some very urban-feeling areas.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:23 am to
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I've seen virtue signaling, but I've never seen "guilt" included.


Would you hold the position that a German who virtue signals a Jew is doing so for some other reason than German collective guilt?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:24 am to
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So half of all US citizens live in liberal cities. How can there be such a disconnect between rural and urban America?


This map is Exhibit 1 why the Electoral College is necessary.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:24 am to
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I've seen virtue signaling, but I've never seen "guilt" included.
The former is driven by the latter.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:25 am to
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The problem with the privilege argument is that it is based on an outcome but argues a specific negative reason for that better outcome. So white people are probably more privileged than other races, but that doesn't mean it's an inherently negative for white people, or even controllable--especially on the individual level.


I would grant the idea of "Majority Privilege". That is something found all over the world and regardless of race.

I will also grant that White people have done more than anyone else on Earth to combat the notion of "Majority Privilege".
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:33 am to
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What is it about Urban America that makes people more liberal


SMOG kills brain cells
Posted by Wildcat In Germany
Metro Atlanta
Member since May 2017
3094 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:34 am to
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Poverty


Poverty exists in every part of this country, urban and rural. Look at WV, Eastern KY, and similar areas. I would wager that there are more people on welfare than aren't in those areas.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:39 am to
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I know its wrong for me to pull the "do you live here," card but in order to understand that these levels can most definitely happen and are going to happen is to physically see it with your own eyes. Money is flowing with the DNT and housing is a HUGE problem right now.
I'm not arguing that it won't continue to grow at a fairly substantial rate; I'm arguing that as it starts to get to a certain point of density, it's not reasonable to expect it to continue at the rate before that.

At the current rate, Collin County would increase from 940 thousand to 2.65 million, 1.7 million more people and 2.8 times the population. That would put it at over 3154 people per square mile, almost 5 people per acre. So eventually it has to slow down.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:42 am to
The map includes very conservative Collin County, Texas (why is it showing blue?)
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:42 am to
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I would grant the idea of "Majority Privilege". That is something found all over the world and regardless of race.
Agreed.
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I will also grant that White people have done more than anyone else on Earth to combat the notion of "Majority Privilege".
I think it's good to combat anything counter to merit, but I think people take it too far and then start blaming people who have merit.
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