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re: EMP: Is the Threat Real?
Posted on 5/6/17 at 8:46 pm to Texas Weazel
Posted on 5/6/17 at 8:46 pm to Texas Weazel
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Except for my 1963 Ford!
Mhh. Maybe I should go see if it starts first before celebrating
Correct. Any vehicle equipped with coil, breaker points and condenser in its distributor will be safe. All this went out of vogue in the late 60s.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 9:08 pm to deltaland
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I would think using diesel or gas generators could help with this.
Also vehicles that are carburetor powered would still run
Electronic Fuel Injection replaced carburetors. EMP would wipe that out also.
I'm thinking pre 1968, most American vehicles were still equipped with an ignition system that operated on a set of breaker points (think manually operated switch)located on the distributor, under the distributor cap, along with a condenser and an ignition coil, which EMP would not harm. Anything transistorized would be wiped out with EMP.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 9:44 pm to AUstar
What good are the oil reserves if refineries do not have power and all of their controls are fried?
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:24 pm to Themole
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Electronic Fuel Injection replaced carburetors. EMP would wipe that out also.
I'm thinking pre 1968, most American vehicles were still equipped with an ignition system that operated on a set of breaker points (think manually operated switch)located on the distributor, under the distributor cap, along with a condenser and an ignition coil, which EMP would not harm. Anything transistorized would be wiped out with EMP.
This. It isn't the fact that a vehicle has a carburetor that makes it not susceptible to EMP. It is whether or not it has the old style ignition system.
My old 1985 CJ7 has a carburetted engine. But it also has an onboard computer which controls ignition and timing. That computer will be fried during an EMP attack, and that Jeep will go nowhere.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:46 pm to Dr Dawg
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I promise you every year the flu season nearly overwhelms the medical system in this country. There are multiple instances of patients held in the er for days waiting to be admitted just with that. Our health care system is no way shape or form going to be handle a country wide mass casualty situation or massive loss of power. You will be on your own.
Nah. shite hits the fan? No more litigation, documentation or other bullshite. We can just roll. And some of us are used to being without shite for extended periods in rural areas. You'd be surprised with the shite we could come up with.
Not to mention, many of us are preppers.
This post was edited on 5/6/17 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:59 pm to SmackoverHawg
How would a single emp take out the entire country? How does that work?
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:30 pm to JayDeerTay84
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How would a single emp take out the entire country? How does that work?
The grid itself is relatively crappy...so as soon as the EMP hits metals shorting wires, causing excess draw, killing power stations 1 by 1...
But Texas and the West can cut its ties to the East...
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:31 pm to Dr Dawg
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I am a Board Certified ER doc who loves to read old civil war era medical books. Also a lifetime sustenance farmer from my childhood. And I know my way around a firearm being raised and lived in the south my whole life. So I would be interested in meeting up sometime. I have given these type of scenarios some thought because I believe it is inevitable that something is going to happen. Just don't know when or what.
I wish you'd read "When there is no Doctor" and tell me what you think.
I've got a few prepper books on the shelf you may be interested-in ...
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:46 pm to CaptChandler
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The One Second After book series by William Fortschen outlines all of what you just posted, but as a fictional account told by a resident of Black Mountain, NC.
Just ordered it from Amazon
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:50 pm to JawjaTigah
As long as we have nuclear armed subs this will never happen by the hands of a nation with the desire of self preservation. Its seen as equivalent to an all out nuclear strike.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 6:15 am to LSU2a
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As long as we have nuclear armed subs this will never happen by the hands of a nation with the desire of self preservation. Its seen as equivalent to an all out nuclear strike.
Bingo. You've basically given the US a free ticket to make your country Mars. Any country with any history of state sponsored terrorisms becomes extinct as a pre req.
As for the deer, turkey, and fish available and protected by Feds on Natchez Trace behind my house, you've had a good run.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 6:41 am to bfniii
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these countries understand retaliation would be absolutely horrific and essentially fatal
They would effectively cease to exist. We discuss this situation regularly and have a plan in place. We're still woefully unprepared but we have a water source.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:11 am to Dr Dawg
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Hospitals would not just be overwhelmed. They would be completely non functional. No power equals no CT, MRI, lab tests
This just isn't accurate. Any hospital that receives Medicare or Medicaid payments is mandated by the government to have back up and even redundant generators. We're also required to have MOU's with several fuel suppliers in case of an event.
Not everything in the hospital would work but all critical care equipment would.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:36 am to scrooster
The Foxfire book is awesome. I still have my Dad's copy. It's at least 40 years old.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 9:25 am to scrooster
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I wish you'd read "When there is no Doctor" and tell me what you think.
Will do.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 9:31 am to bamarep
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This just isn't accurate. Any hospital that receives Medicare or Medicaid payments is mandated by the government to have back up and even redundant generators
Yes Back up generators. But the EMP blast will fry the entire computer system the xray equipment the ultrasound equipment the heart telemetry monitors and all the lab equipment. The only diagnostic tool not damaged will be the MRI because it is built in a faraday cage when installed to prevent its electromagnetic field from affecting the rest of the radiology dept.
So evaluating patients will be purely by clinical judgement. And I promise you that the modern trained physician is ill equipped to do that with out the technology.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 9:32 am to JawjaTigah
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.A single EMP nuclear weapon, detonated at apogee (between 50 to 200 miles above the US), would destroy the country’s entire electrical grid. Airplanes would fall out of the sky, our cars would not start, banking, nearly all non-barter related commerce would cease, and nine out of ten Americans would eventually die due to total societal collapse.
Or the AHCA.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 9:38 am to JawjaTigah
I am not convinced that an EMP attack will be all that devastating. Not all electrical or electronic devices will be affected, and I am referring to ordinary consumer devices, not hardened military equipment. EMP protection can be added to existing systems relatively easily.
It is important to realize that lightning is an EMP event. Anything in the home that has survived nearby lightning strikes (hit a tree in the yard, for instance,) will probably survive an EMP strike also.
It is important to realize that lightning is an EMP event. Anything in the home that has survived nearby lightning strikes (hit a tree in the yard, for instance,) will probably survive an EMP strike also.
This post was edited on 5/7/17 at 9:40 am
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:23 am to skrayper
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America's naval assets and overseas assets make an EMP strike insanely unlikely. It would be a full on declaration of war, that would involve full nuclear retaliation. There's enough firepower in our Navy to obliterate any country stupid enough to try it.
no country would explicitly do this, but suicidal, religious, anti-american fanatics would. Luckily they don't have the ability for now. Things change, sometimes fast. If they did carry something like this out, who do you declare war on?
What if the pulse came from the Sun? Are we prepared for an all-out war with an enormous ball of fire?
Posted on 5/7/17 at 1:11 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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no country would explicitly do this, but suicidal, religious, anti-american fanatics would. Luckily they don't have the ability for now. Things change, sometimes fast. If they did carry something like this out, who do you declare war on?
The largest state sponsors of terrorism are Iran and Pakistan - both of them with nuclear weapons in their possession. So if terrorists were to gain access to the button ... it is plausible that it could happen one day. Which is why it is imperative that these states be kept in check.
A nuke going off at ground level in NYC would take down most of the grid along the east coast.
North Korea is another problem altogether. They are led by a madman - so no one knows what he/they may do.
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What if the pulse came from the Sun? Are we prepared for an all-out war with an enormous ball of fire?
What does that even mean? Was that meant to be patronizing on some level? LULZ you're being ridiculous - made yourself look bad I'm afraid.
Anyways, with regard to our Sun - we have work to do there (on individual and family levels) and there is no denying that we are rolling the dice as a society, playing the odds, under the guise of a limited budget.
It's like putting-off repairing a leaky roof. Eventually that roof will fail and collapse-in on you and then it'll be too late and it'll cost you 10x more to fix ... if you survive unscathed.
In the case of our grid going down for an extended period of time, say 60 days or more, it will cost trillions of dollars and millions of lives. It would be the most catastrophic world changing event imaginable short of an asteroid or meteor impact, or perhaps a caldera eruption.
If the solar flare/storm were large enough, if the resulting solar winds were to hit us head-on ... it could easily set us back a century or more. Millions and millions would perish from starvation, disease, violent social upheavel, exposure to the elements, etc.
https://empandsolarprotection.com/
https://www.survivopedia.com/emp-solar-gear-1/
https://interferencetechnology.com/emp-protecting-housing-solar-rooftops/
https://www.futurescience.com/emp/emp-protection.html
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Among all iterations of electromagnetic disturbances that might occur, it is important to keep things in perspective. A man made nuclear induced EMP may never happen in our hemisphere. On the other hand, a severe solar storm that could and would destroy most of the world's power grids appears nearly inevitable - not a matter of if, but rather when. Protecting against the damaging effects a severe solar storm could be easily accomplished, relatively inexpensively, by the electrical utilities; however it is not being done and there are few signs that it will ever be.
A severe solar storm poses little threat to electronics, but it would take down most power grids in the world, possibly for a period of months if not years. This is a major problem for the United States, most especially for the Eastern United States, making it all the more important to prepare for an EMP event originating from any source.
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