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re: EMP: Is the Threat Real?
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:17 pm to JawjaTigah
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:17 pm to JawjaTigah
I was under the impression that cars would be fine, same with planes etc, it is non-protected electronics that are hooked up to the electrical grid would get fried, wich would still be really bad...
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:23 pm to JawjaTigah
I finished One Second After last week (aftermath of an EMP). It was absolutely terrifying. I highly recommend it to anyone with even a slight interest in the subject.
We'd be so fricked.
We'd be so fricked.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:25 pm to wickowick
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cars would be fine, same with planes etc
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non-protected electronics
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:29 pm to wickowick
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I was under the impression that cars would be fine, same with planes etc, it is non-protected electronics that are hooked up to the electrical grid would get fried, wich would still be really bad...
Apparently it would fry anything electronic in use at the time of the attack.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:31 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:It's real enough that I have seen the Army take bids for EMP shielded tables for field commands where ISR electronics are shielded from a pulse burst.
EMP: Is the Threat Real?
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:35 pm to airfernando
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Didn't the funding for protecting military equipment from EMPs get wiped out several years ago?
There were some cutbacks to the uparmoring aspects of modernization, but all the new stuff comes off the assembly line hardened.
Global Security recently did an excellent piece on the subject. I'd post a link but you'd have to be a subscriber to access it and the damn site has a right click block on their pages.
Bottom line is that our military, while we have to get back on track where we were pre-Obama, we're still a lot further along than we were under Clinton and with the new $26 billion increase in our defense budget a lot of that is going to go towards getting back to uparmoring and upgrading our current assets.
I still believe our Sun poses a far greater threat than any nuclear capable rogue nation. Although, it's been said that both China's and Russia's offensive doctrine is to high altitude airburst us first, and then see where it would go from there. We would probably do the same. But in all three cases it would be a massive EMP strike ... and both China and Russia figure their general population would survive such an attack far better than ours.
I would have to agree. We are a completely different sort of society - our societal collapse with the loss of our grid would be far far far worse than would theirs. We would basically self destruct.
This post was edited on 5/6/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:35 pm to Pinecone Repair
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I finished One Second After last week (aftermath of an EMP).
There are two other books in the series that are equally as terrifying.
One of the biggest things in OSA that really terrified me was how quickly medication and medical supplies would dissappear, as well as the condition of medical facilities after the fact.
People on insulin or with pacemakers would be gone in days or weeks if an EMP hit.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:43 pm to Tridentds
Sounds like that TV series revolution
Synopsis
"Fifteen years after an unknown event has caused all electricity to stop working, plunging the world into another dark age, people have adjusted to life without planes, high-tech communication, and electricity. In small farming communities, life seems sweeter at this slower pace, but danger and mystery lurk in the shadows. After the militia kills a man who -- supposedly -- had something to do with the blackout, his daughter teams with unlikely allies to determine the truth about the cataclysm in order to reclaim the future."
Synopsis
"Fifteen years after an unknown event has caused all electricity to stop working, plunging the world into another dark age, people have adjusted to life without planes, high-tech communication, and electricity. In small farming communities, life seems sweeter at this slower pace, but danger and mystery lurk in the shadows. After the militia kills a man who -- supposedly -- had something to do with the blackout, his daughter teams with unlikely allies to determine the truth about the cataclysm in order to reclaim the future."
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:43 pm to CaptChandler
I've been hearing about EMP for years, but it seems like so much Clyde Lewis Ground Zero/ George Snoory Coast To Coast AM conspiracy theory fare.
Sure it's possible, but would be extremely difficult for even a state actor like Russia or China to pull off with devastating consequences. It would be much easier to shut down electrical grids and microchips with malware than to explode nuclear weapons hundreds of miles up in the ionosphere with pinpoint accuracy.
Sure it's possible, but would be extremely difficult for even a state actor like Russia or China to pull off with devastating consequences. It would be much easier to shut down electrical grids and microchips with malware than to explode nuclear weapons hundreds of miles up in the ionosphere with pinpoint accuracy.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:46 pm to SirWinston
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Shouldn't airlines be putting manual overrides onto airplanes so that the pilots could take over control of the planes rather than have them "fall from the sky"?
Many planes are now "fly by wire" which means it is fully electronic. Any older Boeing jets still have stock and rudder controls which means even without power you can fly the plane. Problem is that commercial jets have horrible glide slope (how far you can glide) not to mention you couldn't get the gear down electronically.
Totally off subject but, Sully would have been screwed and even what he did was incredibly aided by the airbus' flight systems.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:47 pm to scrooster
The US has non-nuclear EMP assets that can knock out small areas as small as a building
U.S. Air Force confirms Boeing’s electromagnetic pulse weapon
U.S. Air Force confirms Boeing’s electromagnetic pulse weapon
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The project has been in the works for a few years now, and has met with significant success in preliminary trials. In 2012, it was reported that a CHAMP mission in Utah managed to hit and subsequently disable seven separate targets in one mission, demonstrating its accuracy and precision. Indeed, it is this capacity to target individual buildings and not cities at large that makes the new weapon so effective, as it would allow military members to cut off electricity supplies to enemy parties while keeping civilians out of the melee.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:48 pm to JawjaTigah
Is there any way to protect everything from an EMP attack?
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:51 pm to PrimeTime Money
Faraday cage
I have one over my house. I suggest you do too.
I have one over my house. I suggest you do too.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:59 pm to JawjaTigah
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Airplanes would fall out of the sky
This one is non-sense, airplanes are regularly struck by lightning, they have hardened systems to protect electronics from the induced voltages. The amount of broadband energy contained in a lighting strike makes the induced energy that would result from a EMP look like a static spark from the end of your finger.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 1:01 pm to tarzana
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It would be much easier to shut down electrical grids and microchips with malware
They've been hitting us off and on with various attacks over the last eight years. The government, under Obama, covered-up many of the more egregious attacks .... especially the ones in the Pacific Time Zone and including the big one on the Silcon Valley substation.
There was another cyber attack on D.C. just last year that they explained-away as human error and, not until this most recent nationwide attack a couple of weeks ago, has the public been advised ... those that are paying attention at least.
It's coming.
And one thing that most are ignorant of is that our modern grid is symbiotically tied into the Internet. One cannot function without the other for very long. So our enemies know this, and while ours is a very efficient system when buzzing correctly, if disrupted on either side it causes the dominoes to start falling fairly quickly.
Conversely, that's one of the major concerns some have with the new streaming model for all of our future communications.
Super stations on the AM and FM bandwidth are an integral part of our Civil Defense system yet we are fast giving-up our ability to pull information from the airwaves the old fashioned way ... even though super stations are government subsidized to be hardened against an EMP attack.
I'm about to go super nerd or geek or whatever ... a few buddies and I are going for our HAM operator's licenses in June. I've been studying for awhile but what really amazes me is how many people are doing this these days ... to hear their motivations and find that this is a growing undercurrent sweeping much of the nation.
A lot of people feel that something is going to happen - no one is sure just what that something is going to be.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 1:02 pm to CaptChandler
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One of the biggest things in OSA that really terrified me was how quickly medication and medical supplies would dissappear, as well as the condition of medical facilities after the fact.
Yes! Those were things I hadn't really thought about.
I listened to One Year After and The Final Day as soon as I finished the first (I'm losing my vision and reading for long clips has become more difficult. I've had to switch to audio).
Then I had to calm myself down with some zombie books.
This post was edited on 5/6/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 5/6/17 at 1:04 pm to JawjaTigah
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entire electrical grid.
I'm skeptical that a single blast could knock out even close to that much.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 1:08 pm to scrooster
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And one thing that most are ignorant of is that our modern grid is symbiotically tied into the Internet
Only on the customers side as in regular joes and small communication companies. The large communication companies like Verizon and At&t hardware is all ran on big batteries. I worked in all the sites so I have knowledge of that side. The small communication companies hardware are also mostly in these sites. They pay the big companies for their space and management of hardware.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 1:11 pm to berrycajun
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