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re: Doctor dragged off flight was convicted of trading drugs for sex
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:51 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:51 pm to crazy4lsu
The nuttiest thing is that guy up near the top of the page who thinks the fine print on a ticket is a binding contract which allows an airline to legally remove any paying customer for any reason whatsoever, or no reason at all. Fine print on a ticket isn't going to mean shite in the civil suit when they get taken to the cleaners.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:52 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Airport security is a division of the Department of Aviation which is part of the Department of Transportation and they absolutely are for all intents and purposes police.
Bus drivers are employees of the Dept of Education, are they police too? For all intensive porpoises I mean, of course?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:53 pm to ManBearTiger
The whole argument is nutty. United had numerous points of contact to prevent this situation. Buying a ticket with them isn't agreeing to be treated like cattle.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:54 pm to crazy4lsu
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Apparently the guy isn't a victim and is akin to Michael Brown because he refused to comply to a security team, which isn't the police.
We have some deferential tards here.
Apparently you sir are retarded. The "security team" that removed him from the plane were federal agents of the Department of Transportation, who had the legal authority to demand that the passenger get off the plane . He refused and paid the price for refusing.
Obviously it is bad PR to kick a paying customer off a plane to make way for an employee, but once again, as per your ticket you have GIVEN the airline permission to do exactly that.
This is no different than getting drunk at a college football game . causing a commotion.and then getting pissed when the University asks you to leave. Same principle. the university doesn't have to offer you tickets to another game or what have you, the ticket you bought clearly states "may remove you at any point at our discretion" your airline ticket has similar wording
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:55 pm to ManBearTiger
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Bus drivers are employees of the Dept of Education, are they police too? For all intensive porpoises I mean, of course?
No they aren't because they are not part of the policing arm of the transportation department.
Apparently you don't understand how this works, several agencies of the federal government have police arms. This is one of those.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:56 pm to Bogie00
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This is negative publicity for United. But the story never tells it all. The passenger had left the plane once and then snuck back on when United employees were boarding. The stink began when he was detected back on the plane and refused to leave again. (At least this is what has been reported.) Can anyone believe any source anymore?
How fricking gullible can you be? He "snuck back on the plane"...? You seriously believe that shite? Do you also think Scooby Doo is a real crime docu-series?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:57 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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The "security team" that removed him from the plane were federal agents of the Department of Transportation, who had the legal authority to demand that the passenger get off the plane . He refused and paid the price for refusing.
Yes. He paid for his seat and refused to give it up like a normal human being, and for that he deserved to be punched in the face and dragged off the plane. He was just like Michael Brown! We should be very deferential to our federal overlords, who are always right, just and fair in their dealings.
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Obviously it is bad PR to kick a paying customer off a plane to make way for an employee, but once again, as per your ticket you have GIVEN the airline permission to do exactly that.
When I buy a airline ticket to get me from point A or B, I'm also allowing them to molest me, obviously.
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This is no different than getting drunk at a college football game
Except the guy was randomly chosen by a computer because of United's frick-up. The analogy doesn't work, just like your Michael Brown analogy doesn't work.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:57 pm to Korkstand
Not really. It's an anonymous message board.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:59 pm to NC_Tigah
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You know the OP is Fake News, right?
No. I did not know that but the point remains.
If you make a stand and it makes national news people are going to dig into who you are and your past.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:59 pm to ManBearTiger
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The nuttiest thing is that guy up near the top of the page who thinks the fine print on a ticket is a binding contract which allows an airline to legally remove any paying customer for any reason whatsoever, or no reason at all. Fine print on a ticket isn't going to mean shite in the civil suit when they get taken to the cleaners.
That would be me. And if you think this hasn't been tested in court, then I don't know what to say. I worked for an airline for over 33 years, but I'm sure you are much more knowledgeable.
ETA
Sorry. that was another thread in which I said that. but it is true, I can assure you.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:03 pm to ManBearTiger
Actually, I said can any source be believed. I have no idea what actually took place, as I was not there.
I do know your ticket says they can bump you at will. So everything that happened once he was told it was his unlucky day, was based on his reaction.
I do know your ticket says they can bump you at will. So everything that happened once he was told it was his unlucky day, was based on his reaction.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:05 pm to DawgsLife
Ok Mr 33 Year Veteran Airline Cocktail Waitress, link us up to a court case where this precise scenario fell in favor of the airlines.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:08 pm to DragginFly
And he is still a doctor?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:08 pm to Bogie00
The ticket is not a binding contract which can allow the airline to operate outside of civil law. No ticket or contract in this country turns the signatory into property. All their civil rights are 100% retained.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:19 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:This is ENTIRELY different. Let me help you...
This is no different than getting drunk at a college football game . causing a commotion.and then getting pissed when the University asks you to leave. Same principle.
This is no different than sitting down at a football game, then finding out that the university needs to find seats for some friends of theirs. Then after you refuse their lowball offer to give up your seat, rather than doing the sane thing and increasing the offer, they bring in the cops to "persuade" you to take the offer.
Now look, I've never been arrested before in my life. I have obeyed every order ever given to me by the police, and I think we should all do the same. I have several good friends who are cops, and I am thankful for their service and for risking their lives for my safety.
BUT
If some fricking company calls the cops on me because they no longer want to provide to me the service that I have long since paid for, I'm pretty sure I would raise all kinds of hell right then and there. And if it is your understanding that I have given the airline permission to fricking beat me into not getting the service I paid for, then they'll have to do just that.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:24 pm to Bogie00
quote:So you think that everything that happens to a person after he refuses to comply is his fault?
So everything that happened once he was told it was his unlucky day, was based on his reaction.
Pretty sure that's not how it works.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:49 pm to ManBearTiger
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The nuttiest thing is that guy up near the top of the page who thinks the fine print on a ticket is a binding contract which allows an airline to legally remove any paying customer for any reason whatsoever, or no reason at all. Fine print on a ticket isn't going to mean shite in the civil suit when they get taken to the cleaners.
Even if they can act like jerks and punt passengers instead of increasing the voucher incentive until a volunteer comes forward.....doesn't mean they should.
It was a very poor decision on United. In the end they created the situation and a paid passenger was removed by force with a blooded mouth and injury. They deserve every bit of criticism they get.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:51 pm to DragginFly
The guy may be a POS but it doesn't mean that what happened to him was justified.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:54 pm to ManBearTiger
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Ok Mr 33 Year Veteran Airline Cocktail Waitress, link us up to a court case where this precise scenario fell in favor of the airlines.
Cocktail waitress? Man, you have no idea what i did at the airline.
You want to hook me up with one court case in which an airline was found negligible for removing a passenger from an aircraft? just one? It happens every single day. It happens hundreds of times a day. People are removed all the time.
And flash....the airline did not physically remove him. Airport Security did, and the Airport Security does not work for United Air Lines.
Cocktail waitress?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:56 pm to ManBearTiger
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The ticket is not a binding contract which can allow the airline to operate outside of civil law. No ticket or contract in this country turns the signatory into property. All their civil rights are 100% retained.
You are correct. Mind telling us which civil rights were violated by united?
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