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re: Dallas Ebola patient to be prosecuted, circle of contact increased to 100
Posted on 10/3/14 at 11:56 am to Alahunter
Posted on 10/3/14 at 11:56 am to Alahunter
Okay. Please tell me where you don't.
Is it because you feel that it might be more contagious, possibly even airborne?
Because this has been simmering for a year and we have had fewer than 10,000 cases.
Past situations of airbourne outbreaks generated *50 MILLION* cases in the same time frame.
Is it because you feel that it might be more contagious, possibly even airborne?
Because this has been simmering for a year and we have had fewer than 10,000 cases.
Past situations of airbourne outbreaks generated *50 MILLION* cases in the same time frame.
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 11:57 am to Volvagia
Have we ever heard the Drs' account of how they were infected? Wasn't the 1st flown here before symptoms began?
I agree the statement is meant to promote fear. But is it inaccurate? Seems to be but we have no statement about the Drs' infection to contradict him.
I agree the statement is meant to promote fear. But is it inaccurate? Seems to be but we have no statement about the Drs' infection to contradict him.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 11:59 am to Volvagia
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Okay. Please tell me where you don't.
Can you show me where the best medical personnel and facilities have shown themselves prepared for cases in the U.S.?
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:01 pm to LSUGrrrl
COBB COUNTY, Ga. (CBS Atlanta/AP) — An inmate at the Cobb County Jail is reportedly being test for Ebola.
WSB-TV reports that the man told jail officials he recently traveled to Africa after developing a fever while in custody.
WSB-TV reports that the man told jail officials he recently traveled to Africa after developing a fever while in custody.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:02 pm to NC_Tigah
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Technically no, as long as the reader understands that the "contact with blood or body fluids" can occur indirectly 3-4 days later, long after the infected person has departed the area.
Can occur is very different from likely to occur.
And what a lot of readers fail to understand when they read reports of "ZOMG THEY FOUND VIRUS IN THIS AFTER SO LONG" doesn't mean that it represents an infectious dose.
To reach the 3-4 days window you are speaking of, while still being an infectious threat, you are talking about obvious bodily fluid smear. I'm talking blood drops.
Not someone sweating or sneezing in their hand and then putting it on a grocery cart.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:03 pm to Alahunter
quote:I bet he was hoping to be released
WSB-TV reports that the man told jail officials he recently traveled to Africa after developing a fever while in custody.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:03 pm to Volvagia
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Is it because you feel that it might be more contagious, possibly even airborne?
Ebola is a virus - one which mutates. Now HIV mutates very rapidly as well, and has never become airborne. Because of the structure/mechanism, I think it is unlikely for either, but the potential is definitely there.
Currently, Ebola is relatively infectious/contagious for a non-airborne pathogen. However, the real concern is the lethality.
People aren't scared of getting Ebola, yet (at least I don't think) - they're scared because they know that if they, or someone they know, get it, it is likely fatal.
Am I getting through to you?
I'm not scared of catching a cold because I've had colds before. Eat some soup, drink flat Sprite, stay warm, watch Star Trek: The Original Series - in a couple of days, I'll be fine. Ditto for the flu, although it will be worse and maybe take 3 to 4 days.
But, Ebola is a life or death struggle between patient and virus. I think this fact is what makes this different than the annual flu scare, or even something a little more serious, such as MERS.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:04 pm to Alahunter
Chances of him getting a whole lot of other shite (he was drunk, he was in a jail) much higher, but I guess we'll see.
The best takeaway, which you never hear on MSM, is the relatively low amount of cases in horrid conditions in West Africa.
The best takeaway, which you never hear on MSM, is the relatively low amount of cases in horrid conditions in West Africa.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:05 pm to Ace Midnight
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People aren't scared of getting Ebola, yet (at least I don't think) - they're scared because they know that if they, or someone they know, get it, it is likely fatal.
This is also misleading. If we can keep the # of cases under control in the US, I highly expect that the death rate is well below 50% for those who get treatment relatively soon.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:06 pm to Alahunter
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Can you show me where the best medical personnel and facilities have shown themselves prepared for cases in the U.S.?
Are you referring to the inept way the guy was treated when he first sought aid and he still had flu symptoms?
Because the link doesn't insinuate that literally every doctor in the US (even te ones who graduated from Grenada) is world class elite.
In a day that got a long list of people who might have been infected.....you probably should wait and see if they lose containment before pronouncing that you have no confidence in their ability.
This post was edited on 10/3/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:15 pm to Pettifogger
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highly expect that the death rate is well below 50% for those who get treatment relatively soon.
To be fair, Americans tend to be afraid of anything that has 50% chance of death. We are accustomed to much higher recovery rates.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:17 pm to BobABooey
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The family left their home in Dallas, even after being officially requested to stay home. I feel totally safe in the way this is being handled.
....time to put the Constitution aside?
Free markets and the Constitution will handle this just fine! Just be patient.
This post was edited on 10/3/14 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:21 pm to SpidermanTUba
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time to put the Constitution aside?
Hasn't seemed to be a problem for this administration to date.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:22 pm to Ace Midnight
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People aren't scared of getting Ebola, yet (at least I don't think) - they're scared because they know that if they, or someone they know, get it, it is likely fatal.
Wat?
Do you realize that is the same thing?
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:24 pm to Volvagia
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doesn't mean that it represents an infectious dose
An infectious dose of Ebola is 1 - 10 organisms.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:25 pm to Pettifogger
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This is also misleading. If we can keep the # of cases under control in the US, I highly expect that the death rate is well below 50% for those who get treatment relatively soon.
US mortality rate will be based on two things: how early you get treatment.....when you show heamoragic symptoms you are already pushing it, and how long before they can ramp up production of experimental drugs.
Right now they are prob giving the guy certain types of HIV meds that have shown some efficacy.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:26 pm to LSUGrrrl
quote:To be clear, Americans will have a much higher recovery rate.
To be fair, Americans tend to be afraid of anything that has 50% chance of death. We are accustomed to much higher recovery rates.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:32 pm to LSUGrrrl
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To be fair, Americans tend to be afraid of anything that has 50% chance of death. We are accustomed to much higher recovery rates.
I get it, and I would be too. That said, 50% is probably very conservative in the current environment for someone who is otherwise healthy and has relatively early access to supportive care.
My concern would be in the scenario where we had a widespread (even if not truly massive) outbreak, and healthcare resources were just overwhelmed. But looking at the what, 10000 cases in horrid African conditions makes that unlikely.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:32 pm to NC_Tigah
Oh, I know. I was just responding to Petti's post as to why it wasn't so reassuring to many.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 12:32 pm to Pettifogger
FWIW, Texas is now saying they've cut the people they're really monitoring to about 50.
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