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re: Christians Can Learn tolerance from Muslim Migrants per German Finance Minister
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:25 pm to Machine
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:25 pm to Machine
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eventually everybody realizes the believing in fairy tales is absurd. Reform Jews look at the world more realistically then orthodox and conservatives
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eventually everybody realizes the believing in fairy tales is absurd. Reform Jews look at the world more realistically then orthodox and conservatives
Really? Hmmm, the money changers.
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Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:25 pm to TerryDawg03
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Matthew 10:34
figurative. he came to frick shite up with the tradition (judiasm)
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Matthew 24:6-7
that's prophecy not how to act
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Romans 13:4
the Epistle to the Romans was a letter written by Paul. i'll take Jesus' quotes thanks
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:25 pm to Machine
quote:Sure. It's a good thing Christianity isn't based on "fairy tales"
eventually everybody realizes the believing in fairy tales is absurd.
quote:Discarding the truth for a lie isn't looking at anything realistically. It would be better to apostatize entirely from the religion rather than try to arbitrarily change it to be more "realistic", as you see it.
Reform Jews look at the world more realistically then orthodox and conservatives
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:27 pm to FooManChoo
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Discarding the truth for a lie isn't looking at anything realistically. It would be better to apostatize entirely from the religion rather than try to arbitrarily change it to be more "realistic", as you see it.
discarding the "truth"
people will lol @ the western religions in a couple of thousand years just as we laugh at the Greek and Roman Gods
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:30 pm to Machine
quote:I wouldn't bet my eternity on that.
discarding the "truth"
people will lol @ the western religions in a couple of thousand years just as we laugh at the Greek and Roman God
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:31 pm to Machine
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the Epistle to the Romans was a letter written by Paul. i'll take Jesus' quotes thanks
As you should, his blood was shed for the redemption and salvation of all who confess he is the Christ, for he is the way and life and the truth.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:34 pm to FooManChoo
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I wouldn't bet my eternity on that.
sweet
i don't let the fear of what could possibly happen rule my life. i just try not to be a shitty person.
but you do you.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:36 pm to Bass Tiger
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:40 pm to Machine
quote:You don't have to. If you don't repent, it will rule your eternity.
i don't let the fear of what could possibly happen rule my life.
quote:Why not? Sounds like you don't have an objective reason for it. I would think you would be only as "good" as needed to function in society without obtaining negative consequences.
i just try not to be a shitty person.
quote:I don't. I have no fear of death and I have nothing but love for God and what He's done for me. No fear at all.
but you do you.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:45 pm to FooManChoo
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You don't have to. If you don't repent, it will rule your eternity.
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Why not? Sounds like you don't have an objective reason for it. I would think you would be only as "good" as needed to function in society without obtaining negative consequences.
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I don't. I have no fear of death and I have nothing but love for God and what He's done for me. No fear at all.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:48 pm to FooManChoo
outside of the internet i never talk about religion with friends in family. just because i realized that religion is a crutch for people to not have to wrestle with their own mortality, doesn't mean i should shite on my friends and family who are using said crutch to make it through life without overly stressing out.
unless somebody starts preaching at me
unless somebody starts preaching at me
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:53 pm to Machine
It seems you've lost interest in this discussion so I'll leave you with something as reasonable as your emoticons:
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:56 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:56 pm to Machine
quote:Ignore the last post. I thought you were done.
outside of the internet i never talk about religion with friends in family. just because i realized that religion is a crutch for people to not have to wrestle with their own mortality, doesn't mean i should shite on my friends and family who are using said crutch to make it through life without overly stressing out.
unless somebody starts preaching at me
I don't use religion as a crutch. Being a Christian doesn't mean death, itself, isn't scary or uncomfortable to deal with. It is, because it isn't natural. Our natural state is eternal life where our bodies and souls are united. But, my faith isn't about coping with death. I rarely think about death, actually. I focus on my relationship with God in how I worship and how I relate to others here and now, on earth, in my mortal body. My life is one of love towards God and man, though I fall short often. It isn't about fear.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 4:37 pm to FooManChoo
lol I'm just being a dick. Honestly, living forever sounds horrible. I hate singing
Posted on 5/26/17 at 4:47 pm to Machine
Love Thy Neighbor and Thou Shalt NOT Kill is conviently ignored by "Christians" killing other "Christians" or "Christians" killing Muslims, etc. HYPOCRITES!!!
Posted on 5/26/17 at 5:36 pm to MButterfly
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And also tolerance, I believe, for example.”
Posted on 5/26/17 at 5:57 pm to FooManChoo
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Why not? Sounds like you don't have an objective reason for it. I would think you would be only as "good" as needed to function in society without obtaining negative consequences.
I'm just playing devil's advocate, no pun intended, but aren't you only being as good as needed to obtain salvation?
If the Bible said you need to follow all these rules but there is no afterlife for anyone, you should just do it because God commands it.... Would that change your opinion?
I'm sure you will say no, but we both know a significant proportion of all religious people would say screw that
Which would mean people are motivated by selfish reasons. Which is somewhat hypocritical right
Posted on 5/26/17 at 7:33 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:I'm not, no, and I don't think that's Biblical, either. I believe that you are saved by faith alone in Christ alone and not by your good works (Ephesians 2 spells this out for us).
I'm just playing devil's advocate, no pun intended, but aren't you only being as good as needed to obtain salvation?
quote:It might, but not for the reason you are talking about. It would essentially change the entire religion:
If the Bible said you need to follow all these rules but there is no afterlife for anyone, you should just do it because God commands it.... Would that change your opinion?
-God would not be just
-Therefore there would be no justice administered from God
-Therefore there would be no penalty for sin
-Therefore there would be no need for salvation from the penalty of sin (and no thankfulness for said salvation)
-Therefore there would be no need for salvation provided by Jesus (and faith in Him)
-Therefore there would be no need for Jesus' obedience to the law
-Therefore there would be no need for Jesus to be incarnated
-Therefore there would be no plan for the incarnation from eternity past
I could go on and on and on. Essentially if there is no punishment for sin (because there is no afterlife), the entire religion changes. Given that, I don't know how to answer your hypothetical. You might as well ask if I would believe the Bible if it described a different God with an entirely different set of conditions for the universe. One reason I believe the Bible is because of it's logical consistency within itself and also it's alignment with what we see in the world around us. These changes could drastically change all of that, making it almost impossible to believe without blind faith (which Christians do not have).
quote:People already do things like that for selfish reasons. This change won't change that fundamentally, but might increase the amount of people who say "screw that".
I'm sure you will say no, but we both know a significant proportion of all religious people would say screw that. Which would mean people are motivated by selfish reasons.
quote:Sure, but you have to completely change the religion to get to that point. The way it exists today provides for motivation to obey that is not selfish: gratitude. Gratitude doesn't exist in that hypothetical you provided.
Which is somewhat hypocritical right
Posted on 5/26/17 at 8:11 pm to OU812
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Love Thy Neighbor and Thou Shalt NOT Kill is conviently ignored by "Christians" killing other "Christians" or "Christians" killing Muslims, etc. HYPOCRITES!!!
out of context ......
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