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re: Christians Can Learn tolerance from Muslim Migrants per German Finance Minister
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:08 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:08 pm to FooManChoo
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A contradiction is not the same as a paradox
This is an issue with people trying to find fault with the Bible. They look for them just to prov it wrong and fail to:
1- Reference
2- Lack of understanding of a contradiction.
For example, the 4 gospels. 2 different views of the last supper from 2 different people. One records that Jesus dipped his bread, the other does not.
To most, a contradiction. But it's not. It's perspective.
If Machine and Petie go out and they see Obama at Walmart, if they both write about it they will have some differences. Machine might record Obama had on a suit. Petie might record Obama was wearing a red shirt. Both might record how they were in awe of him and his new hair cut and moostache.
Neither account is wrong and they do not contradict. When put together, the form a pretty complete picture. Obama wore a suit with a red shirt.
It actually gives more credibility to the text.
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Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:10 pm to MButterfly
quote:This man gets it. Have an upvote.
MButterfly
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:11 pm to Machine
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quoting jesus is isolating scripture and a bad thing
Yes it is. He's right even though you may not want to admit that.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:14 pm to MButterfly
quote:no reason to reinforce you have a confirmation bias
Yes it is. He's right even though you may not want to admit that.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:15 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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While it is true that many Muslims may demonstrate tolerance, it is inaccurate to say that tolerance is realised in Islam.
Agreed.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:15 pm to MrCarton
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There is plenty of logical inconsistency in the NT
Not that I have seen.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:17 pm to Machine
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if you say so. i know i've read the bible cover to cover more than most alleged Christians.
took that shite seriously way too long. church/youth group 3x a week. saving yourself till mariage through high school. evengalical upbringing had me tight.
then i ate mushrooms one day
All of that means squat. The Bible tells us that there are many people that will do things in the name of Jesus that will stand before him one day, and He will deny that He ever knew them.
The Bible as well says this:
Hebrews 6:4-6 (NKJV):
quote:
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:20 pm to Machine
unconditional or (agape) love seems so very nice on the front end, but I will tell you that for us humans it is a most dangerous proposition. You want to love a group of people the likes of which are coming into Europe with no judgement, be my guest....just
tell me which funeral home you want the flowers sent to.
You erroneously conflate unconditional with non judgement. That simply is not the case . I judge my kids for their actions . When my son screws up....and does so often, I tell him that he made a mistake and I don't approve. Non approval does not mean I love him any less, but I am judging his actions, I am judging his thought process
You propose that we should just love the Muslim community no matter what they do in Europe or anywhere else? Should I allow anyone who want to cross my property constantly and without invite?
You still did not answer my question about how I should treat the guest in my house who tries to pimp out my teenage daughter a la Rotherham, England? Should I pass no judgement on those that did that or should I just shrug and say " C'est la vie"?
tell me which funeral home you want the flowers sent to.
You erroneously conflate unconditional with non judgement. That simply is not the case . I judge my kids for their actions . When my son screws up....and does so often, I tell him that he made a mistake and I don't approve. Non approval does not mean I love him any less, but I am judging his actions, I am judging his thought process
You propose that we should just love the Muslim community no matter what they do in Europe or anywhere else? Should I allow anyone who want to cross my property constantly and without invite?
You still did not answer my question about how I should treat the guest in my house who tries to pimp out my teenage daughter a la Rotherham, England? Should I pass no judgement on those that did that or should I just shrug and say " C'est la vie"?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:24 pm to MButterfly
The man is a dumbass.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:25 pm to KiwiHead
Along the lines of kids, Is it love that you place your kids in known danger?
No... So which love do you follow? That's the wrong question.... The question is "did I not understand that scripture?"
Scriptures are not at odds with eacth other. Our interpretation of it is wrong. That usually stems from isolating a scripture and not going back to the original language.
No... So which love do you follow? That's the wrong question.... The question is "did I not understand that scripture?"
Scriptures are not at odds with eacth other. Our interpretation of it is wrong. That usually stems from isolating a scripture and not going back to the original language.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:36 pm to Machine
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if you say so. i know i've read the bible cover to cover more than most alleged Christians.
took that shite seriously way too long. church/youth group 3x a week. saving yourself till mariage through high school. evengalical upbringing had me tight.
then i ate mushrooms one day
damn bro do you need a hug? you seem so triggered @ christianity
i'm non-religious as well, and i grew out of the mindset you just displayed by like my early 20s. how old are you? you are still holding onto all that rage, with only the generic talking points of others to fall back on
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:38 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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While it is true that many Muslims may demonstrate tolerance, it is inaccurate to say that tolerance is realised in Islam
i think there is a fallback on this point and it deals with racism (since islam is the most diverse religion on earth)
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Is there a part of the Quran that discourages racism? I'm not trolling. Legitimately curious
If there isn't then I don't think the lack of racism is derived from the actual text but other cultural factors
My thought when the Imam said "tolerance can be realised through Islam" was immediately...
If we dropped a Quran in the Amazon jungle to a group of people that had never seen another, would tolerance be something they realised through the text?
I think It would be very hard to support that outcome as a possibility
If there isn't then I don't think the lack of racism is derived from the actual text but other cultural factors
My thought when the Imam said "tolerance can be realised through Islam" was immediately...
If we dropped a Quran in the Amazon jungle to a group of people that had never seen another, would tolerance be something they realised through the text?
I think It would be very hard to support that outcome as a possibility
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
If the Imam meant to say "Tolerance can be realised through studying the culture of the Muslim people" then he might have more of a leg to stand on
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:06 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Is there a part of the Quran that discourages racism? I'm not trolling. Legitimately curious
It encourages growing the influence of the religion, so from a conversion perspective, it doesn't matter what race one it.
But despite that, Arab extremists have always looked down on their "lesser" neighborhors, in practice at least. Iraqi ISIL guys shite on Foreign Fighters, as do Syrian AQ affiliates.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:07 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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If the Imam meant to say "Tolerance can be realised through studying the culture of the Muslim people" then he might have more of a leg to stand on
He should have said that, but it's not like ze Germans are that inhospitable. Dude was just virtue signaling.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:what mindset is that?
i'm non-religious as well, and i grew out of the mindset you just displayed by like my early 20s
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:09 pm to MrCarton
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It encourages growing the influence of the religion, so from a conversion perspective, it doesn't matter what race one it.
I see your point, but don't think Islam is really unique in that regard. I can't really think of any major religion that you couldn't say that about.
I think we agree the realisation of tolerance through the core beliefs of Islam as a religion is a far fetched idea
But I guess it depends on how one defines tolerance
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:11 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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It encourages growing the influence of the religion, so from a conversion perspective, it doesn't matter what race one it.
I see your point, but don't think Islam is really unique in that regard. I can't really think of any major religion that you couldn't say that about.
Judaism?
Eastern religions don't seem big on that either, but that could just be an issue of my perspective.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:16 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I see your point, but don't think Islam is really unique in that regard. I can't really think of any major religion that you couldn't say that about.
Judaism, though I'd argue it isn't a major religion for that very reason.
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I think we agree the realisation of tolerance through the core beliefs of Islam as a religion is a far fetched idea
Yeah, I'm no big fan of the religion.
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