re: Bush slow to go to New Orleans---Obama slow to go to the border

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Because an already overburdened social safety net would be snowed under. Open those borders with no restrictions and MILLIONS would come in, most of them poor and looking for free medical care,housing and financial aid. We can't afford it.

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well do you want to fix the systems or have two systems that don't work?

I agree that our overburdened system has some problems to say the least. But apparently these illegals are already using the system, why not make them legals and have employers and employees actually pay taxes.

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As is soccer, abortion, legalizing MJ, not having prohibition, allowing women to vote, Not being energy independent, Obama, Bush, Fox news, liberal media, gun control, and about 90000 other different things.

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i don't think you fully understand the ramifications that would come with the U.S. having an open borders policy. this goes beyond just have some people show up for jobs.

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But seriously, why do you think this? If we had an open immigration policy in which people could come to this country and become citizens basically without limitation, how would this lead to the downfall of this country

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let's just say about 10 million immigrants flood the border states over the next few years if we open the border (which isnt an unrealistic number)

1. housing. where are all these people going to live. the vast majority would be too poor to purchase property. but i guess they could rely on the government, right?

2. food. the strain on farmers to increase production in that short of time to feed that many new people would be tremendous. but i guess they could rely on the government, right?

3. where are all these new jobs going to come from? are thousands of jobs just going to appear because millions of immigrants showed up? no....which means more homeless and more crime. but i guess they could rely on the government, right?

4. what percentage of these people would you say would come here to find a job, work hard, and gain citizenship if we had an open borders policy?


but i'm the one thats naive to the ways of the world, right?

Still believe you have a naive view in dealing with the illegal immigration policy. These people are here and will continue to come here. and apparently leach off the system yet you want to provide them no way to legally be a part of the system and contribute to the system

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food.

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Its not like these people aren't currently eating. Its not like we aren't prbly exporting tons of food to mexico and the rest of latin america.

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4. what percentage of these people would you say would come here to find a job, work hard, and gain citizenship if we had an open borders policy?

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Immigrants tend to be very hardworking people for what i have seen.

Plus

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If we had an open immigration policy in which people could come to this country and become citizens basically without limitation

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doesn't mean allow 10 million people into our country in a calender year that obviously cant be done logistically.

But either way the free market will solve these problems. If there is an influx of people, these people will make and spend money on housing and food, etc.

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These people are here and will continue to come here. and apparently leach off the system yet you want to provide them no way to legally be a part of the system and contribute to the system

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1. stop the ones that aren't here yet
2. kick out the ones that have committed any crimes....and i mean any
3. the others can stay if they show they are actively pursueing citizenship.

you skipped the housing question

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Its not like these people aren't currently eating. Its not like we aren't prbly exporting tons of food to mexico and the rest of latin america.

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i really don't think you understand what would happen at the US/Mexico line if tommorrow we announced to the world that we now have an open border.

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Immigrants tend to be very hardworking people for what i have seen.

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many are...many are not. even if they are...where are all these jobs going to come from? you skipped that one.

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doesn't mean allow 10 million people into our country in a calender year that obviously cant be done logistically.

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i didn't say calendar year. even if it was over a few years it wouldn't work. and 10 million over a few years is not a reach.

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But either way the free market will solve these problems. If there is an influx of people, these people will make and spend money on housing and food, etc.

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so naive

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The difference is - Bush had no control over the disaster itself, just the federal response.

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Not to mention that Nagin and Gov Blank-Zero told Bush they didn't need government assistance.

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The problem with our immigration policy is not the people. It is the motive. Remove the welfare available to these people and the immigration problem will be over.

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Actually there are many folks who come here to work their asses off, earn decent pay by their standards and send a relatively large check to family in their country of origin. Seems like something a decent worker visa program would solve.

Have we lost Vegas Bengal?

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Immigrants aren't driving up crime rates and are less likely to commit crimes than natives. they make up over 18% of the small business owners. these businesses employ 4.7 million people. Most economist state that there would be plenty of jobs etc.

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these are the immigrants that took the time to do it legally.

a country without borders is not a country

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these are the immigrants that took the time to do it legally.

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Don't understand if you think i am saying all immigrants should come here illegally

or if you realize i think the legal process should be made easier and quicker and limitations should be significantly increased as to allow more people to be here legally.

I agree illegal immigrants are bad. I want to make a process for them to be legal. (of course barring criminals for crimes.. other than illegal immigration )

I have not advocated a borderless country. Just a more open immigration policy

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i think the legal process should be made easier and quicker and limitations should be significantly increased as to allow more people to be here legally.

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this is different than an open borders policy...which you were advocating for earlier

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I want to make a process for them to be legal

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yeah...like amnesty. just wave wand and poof...you're legal

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I have not advocated a borderless country

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i get the impression you're for an open borders policy
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for the most part, yes.

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do you believe these thousands of kids should be given citizenship or shipped back to Mexico?