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re: Bush slow to go to New Orleans---Obama slow to go to the border
Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:22 pm to antibarner
Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:22 pm to antibarner
Any plan to fix this must begin with border security. Use troops if necessary because of Mexican military incursions and foreign criminal elements crossing our border and committing crimes against our citizens.
That will give the Border Patrol the increased security it needs to stop this and send those people back to Mexico. They are the ones allowing this to happen let them deal with it.
The ones that are here? Either come forward and identify themselves or after a certain time they are considered felons. The incentive? Issue them an ID and no deportation. But they get NO social services and they get in line just like everyone else to try and become citizens. No amnesty. No short cut to citizen status.
Maybe after a certain length of time, if they can pass tests and speak English,they could gain citizenship through honorable service in the Armed Forces.
That will give the Border Patrol the increased security it needs to stop this and send those people back to Mexico. They are the ones allowing this to happen let them deal with it.
The ones that are here? Either come forward and identify themselves or after a certain time they are considered felons. The incentive? Issue them an ID and no deportation. But they get NO social services and they get in line just like everyone else to try and become citizens. No amnesty. No short cut to citizen status.
Maybe after a certain length of time, if they can pass tests and speak English,they could gain citizenship through honorable service in the Armed Forces.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 4:27 pm
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:24 pm to Vegas Bengal
I still do not blame any politician for the conditions the people in the Superdome and Convention Center put themselves in. People should be responsible for themselves and their families.
However, it is Obama's job to secure our borders and enforce the laws - including the immigration laws. Instead, he is purposely violating his oath of office and committing treason by active leading illegal aliens in an invasion into our nation and allowing others to enter our nation anonymously.
When American citizens die due to criminal activity by illegal aliens, or diseases brought into this nation by illegal aliens, or terrorists who were able to cross the border and carry out attacks - Obama and the leaders of the Congress should stand trial for their deaths.
However, it is Obama's job to secure our borders and enforce the laws - including the immigration laws. Instead, he is purposely violating his oath of office and committing treason by active leading illegal aliens in an invasion into our nation and allowing others to enter our nation anonymously.
When American citizens die due to criminal activity by illegal aliens, or diseases brought into this nation by illegal aliens, or terrorists who were able to cross the border and carry out attacks - Obama and the leaders of the Congress should stand trial for their deaths.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:30 pm to EST
Nagin could have gotten a lot more people out. They had a bunch of school and municipal buses that they let ruin because of flooding that could have been used for transport.
As bad as it was,had Katrina hit just a bit further west this would have been a disaster far worse than it was. The surge would have been considerably higher, the levee system would have been overtopped just about everywhere and those people would have drowned like rats. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
And that would not have been on Bush.
As bad as it was,had Katrina hit just a bit further west this would have been a disaster far worse than it was. The surge would have been considerably higher, the levee system would have been overtopped just about everywhere and those people would have drowned like rats. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
And that would not have been on Bush.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:32 pm to EST
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terrorists who were able to cross the border and carry out attacks - Obama and the leaders of the Congress should stand trial for their deaths.
Not sure if serious...
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When American citizens die due to criminal activity by illegal aliens
Foriegn born people (illegal and legal) are less likely to be involved in illegal activity.
But i really don't know the options obama has for the kids in the warehouse. of course we need to make sure no others get in. but are we going to have a hearing to deport each and every one? Are we going to allow all of them to stay? Can we label them as temporary refugees and then send them packing in a couple of weeks?
its a lose lose
Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:34 pm to petar
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Not sure if serious...
serious
Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:34 pm to antibarner
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Nagin could have gotten a lot more people out. They had a bunch of school and municipal buses that they let ruin because of flooding that could have been used for transport.
How many of the people who stayed do you reckon were itching to get out of town and would have readily done so if only a yellow school bus (driven by who, I'm not sure) had showed up in front of their house to take them god-knows-where?
I promise you, the answer is a small fraction of the total number of people who stayed. If you think otherwise, you have no idea of the dynamics of the situation at the time.
Fact of the matter is, more people evacuated the city for Katrina than had done so at any time previously.
It doesn't stop people from wanting to continue to perpetuate the ridiculous yellow school bus red herring.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:42 pm to EST
So you are upset the George W. Bush, his staff, and the 112th (i think) congress didn't go on trial?
that is a little absurd don't you think?
Plus i am fairly certain it is unconstitutional as they have immunity while they were acting within their official capacity a long with other problems of who you charge and with what.
that is a little absurd don't you think?
Plus i am fairly certain it is unconstitutional as they have immunity while they were acting within their official capacity a long with other problems of who you charge and with what.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:49 pm to Vegas Bengal
Federal law required Louisiana and New Orleans to have emergency preparedness and response plans for Katrina. Would you care to discuss the plans of Louisiana and New Orleans that existed prior to Katrina and the execution of those plans? FEMA's response to Katrina was actually hindered by its expectation that Louisiana and New Orleans would be able to do the things they claimed in their respective plans. The bottom line is that New Orleans and Louisiana told the federal government they were prepared to do things that they were not prepared to do, and it wasn't because of the devastation caused by Katrina. They never had the capabilities they claimed. So FEMA came to the party expecting more local contribution than they got. That is the fault of Blanco and Nagin.
It is funny how there were practically zero complaints about the federal response in Mississippi, Texas or other states impacted by Katrina and/or Rita. Somehow Louisiana was a clusterfrick following both. George W. Bush must have had some deep hatred of Louisiana to single us out for inadequate response to the same events.
It is funny how there were practically zero complaints about the federal response in Mississippi, Texas or other states impacted by Katrina and/or Rita. Somehow Louisiana was a clusterfrick following both. George W. Bush must have had some deep hatred of Louisiana to single us out for inadequate response to the same events.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:55 pm to Poodlebrain
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It is funny how there were practically zero complaints about the federal response in Mississippi, Texas or other states impacted by Katrina and/or Rita. Somehow Louisiana was a clusterfrick following both. George W. Bush must have had some deep hatred of Louisiana to single us out for inadequate response to the same events.
If you notice, that's basically exactly what Vegas is arguing.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 5:31 pm to Y.A. Tittle
CNN's Donna Brazile praised the response of President Bush.
You're just perpetuating another falsehood about the Bush Presidency.
"He visited the Gulf states 17 times; went 13 times to New Orleans. Laura Bush made 24 trips. Bush saw that $126 billion in aid was sent to the Gulf's residents, as some members of his own party in Congress balked," Brazile wrote. "Bush put a special emphasis on rebuilding schools and universities. He didn't forget African-Americans: Bush provided $400 million to the historically black colleges, now integrated, that remain a pride, and magnet for African-American students."
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You're just perpetuating another falsehood about the Bush Presidency.
"He visited the Gulf states 17 times; went 13 times to New Orleans. Laura Bush made 24 trips. Bush saw that $126 billion in aid was sent to the Gulf's residents, as some members of his own party in Congress balked," Brazile wrote. "Bush put a special emphasis on rebuilding schools and universities. He didn't forget African-Americans: Bush provided $400 million to the historically black colleges, now integrated, that remain a pride, and magnet for African-American students."
LINK
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 5:38 pm to I B Freeman
Obama has no interest in the border, other than it being wide open.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 5:50 pm to Poodlebrain
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George W. Bush must have had some deep hatred of Louisiana to single us out...
I knew it, I just knew it.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 5:50 pm to Poodlebrain
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So FEMA came to the party expecting more local contribution than they got. That is the fault of Blanco and Nagin
I should never have been a question in my opinion... Louisiana and the gulf were not in any position to cover the part the Stafford Act that there were recovered. It was waived in 9/11 and in other hurricane disasters.
Plus, I think that neither Mississippi nor texas had the ongoing problems that new Orleans had after Katrina.
Either way the local response in Miss and Texas seems to have been better than Louisiana. I would say more definitely but really don't remember or researched it.
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Mississippi,
I think there were complaints but unrelated to initial response.
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