- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Bush slow to go to New Orleans---Obama slow to go to the border
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:54 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:54 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
I didn't get a "spending card," but got an unsolicited deposit into my bank account, as I recall. What was it, a couple of hundred bucks? As to the why? Well, you know what they say about gift horses.
FEMA gift.
The Red Cross, while not giving us VISA cards like they did everywhere else in Louisiana, gave us lots of bleach to clean out the maggots from the fridge and plenty of MREs.
The Red Cross people volunteering were great. The Red Cross red tape really sucked. People all over the country were trying to get us help in NOLA but a lot of it didn't get through. At least not to the city early on. But again, the people volunteering were great. As were the Troops, the EMTs, the electrical workers from all over the country.
I'll say this... while the govt failed us... people did not.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 1:55 pm
0
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:54 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
So if the governor was required to sign off before troops were sent, then how were troops sent?
Oh, we got the reciprocals signed over time - but nothing in government happens right away (again part of the problem).
Federal troops came, despite there being no agreement, particularly over command and control, rules of engagement, etc. They were armed federal troops on the streets of an American city, without martial law and as far as I know, I was the only person that asked, "What about the posse comitatus?"
The answer was, "Their weapons are for self-defense. They're not going to enforce the law."
My final answer was, "I hope the Federal judge agrees with you if they end up killing somebody."
quote:
Blanco never signed off.
She never agreed to federal control of national guard troops - whether that was her, Landreneau, or one of their idiot advisors that had them take that hard of a stance, I don't know.
It would have been much easier and perhaps martial law wouldn't have been the correct answer (although I think it would have been necessary to have run the operation correctly - could have been lifted in 30 days - again, IMHO, and we could have rolled all the federal troops out and handed it back to Louisiana and the partner states, in a fairly orderly fashion - we felt whole again around October 1st).
ETA: Choctaw - dammit he keeps pulling me back in. I'm going to try to stay out, now.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:57 pm to Choctaw
quote:
Choctaw
looks like we wont be able to have our discussion with out the katrina parts and ours is off topic as well. Plus i got some actual work before i take a long weekend.
quote:
try sneaking over the border of nearly any other country on this planet and see what happens.
I'm not comparing us to non-democratic uncivilized countries. For most countries like our, it is not some devastating life-imprisonment or beheading as you seem to suggest.
quote:
false
why not? aslong as these people want to become citizens and contribute im good with it.
quote:
i get the impression you're for an open borders policy
for the most part, yes.
quote:
easier path legally
I agree, but think its a rather circular catch-22 to not allow an illegal immigrant to not have some sort of path to citizenship. If he made a mistake and wants to rectify his mistake, im alright with it.
anyways everyone have a great fourth
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:59 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
She never agreed to federal control of national guard troops - whether that was her, Landreneau, or one of their idiot advisors that had them take that hard of a stance, I don't know.
Neither did the Mississippi governor but troops were sent there quick.
This whole canard was started on the Saturday by Rove to counter the argument that Bush did nothing.
You can spin it until you're blue in the face but if this happened under Obama, you guys would be FURIOUS. The man was campaigning in California two days after the storm hit when the city was falling into chaos.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:59 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
The gov't didn't distribute spending cards. That was the Red Cross. And those were given everywhere BUT New Orleans. I was told there was no office in NOLA to distribute them.
We did get FEMA checks though.
ETA: Wait.. just remembered... I believe there was a one time SNAP card issued. I didn't get it but I remember people got it.
I was living in South Arkansas and getting television reports from the Monroe TV station. It was a mess because it was hard to get reliable reports at the time due to many factors.
Many people were able to make it out and many ended up in South Arkansas at the time. At that point, I was trying to keep my eyes and ears open without asking too many questions. People were desperate and I was trying to be as empathic as possible.
Thanks for the answers.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:01 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
Blanco never signed off.
You really are out of your element. These are agreements that are standing between the governors. They are referred to as Mutual Aid Agreements. For the Guard they fall under the provisions of Title 32. Federal military response is under Title 10.
What people are reluctant to discuss is that LTG Honore did not command all military forces that responded, only the federal forces (Title 10). Authority for Title 32 (Guard) forces resided with the governor of the assisted state (in this instance, Louisiana).
This arrangement was an absolute mess but it did adhere to current law. We use it as a case study for FEMA courses.
So, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas? How did they do?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:06 pm to petar
quote:
i get the impression you're for an open borders policy
for the most part, yes.
open borders would be the downfall of this country
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:09 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
You really are out of your element.
We can talk until we're blue in the face. He simply isn't going to believe us because he doesn't want to.
And he must think that the border/immigration issue is Bush's fault (it is, as it is Clinton, other Bush, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, etc.) - and this somehow relieves Obama of actually trying to enforce U.S. immigration law.
It's like the analysis ends at, "Bush. What is Obama supposed to do? Socialism, brah."
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:11 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:You mean the states that actually particpated in disaster exercises? One state didn't, care to take a guess which severely mismanaged state never participated?
So, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas? How did they do?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:15 pm to Choctaw
quote:
open borders would be the downfall of this country
As is soccer, abortion, legalizing MJ, not having prohibition, allowing women to vote, Not being energy independent, Obama, Bush, Fox news, liberal media, gun control, and about 90000 other different things.
But seriously, why do you think this? If we had an open immigration policy in which people could come to this country and become citizens basically without limitation, how would this lead to the downfall of this country
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:16 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
He simply isn't going to believe us because he doesn't want to.
This.
It is obvious that he has been personally/emotionally injured by what happened. For that I offer my sympathy. But that does not change the fact that an evacuation should have been enforced by the mayor (using local law enforcement) and aided by the governor (using the National Guard). Much of the loss of life can be directly attributed to the failure to evacuate.
My response remains the same - what happened in Alabama, Mississippi and Texas? They ordered an evacuation and enforced it, severely mitigating the effects of the storm on the populace. The political leadership in Louisiana failed to do the same and the people suffered because of it. President Bush appointed an absolute moron for the FEMA but that does not take away responsibility for/or authority for actions that reside at the state and local level.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:17 pm to Jbird
quote:
You mean the states that actually particpated in disaster exercises? One state didn't, care to take a guess which severely mismanaged state never participated?
It was Bush's fault that Louisiana did not participate. Too easy.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:17 pm to Choctaw
quote:
open borders would be the downfall of this country
George Washington said political parties would be the downfall of this nation also.
Which one do you think is going to get us first? It's a damn close race at the time.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:19 pm to Jbird
OK Bush blew it.Nothing we can do to change what happened.
But this mess at the border is ongoing. Obama started it in motion and is using it to try to gain political advantage.
Doubt me? Rick Perry invited him to the border to see for himself. Obama's Baghdad Bob clone said it wasn't necessary to go there and said the GOP should pass the immigration bill.
This is a huge mess. They won't let the press in and even denied a GOP member of Congress access to one of the camps. Yet Pelosi got to walk right in. Obama is a disgrace to the office.
But this mess at the border is ongoing. Obama started it in motion and is using it to try to gain political advantage.
Doubt me? Rick Perry invited him to the border to see for himself. Obama's Baghdad Bob clone said it wasn't necessary to go there and said the GOP should pass the immigration bill.
This is a huge mess. They won't let the press in and even denied a GOP member of Congress access to one of the camps. Yet Pelosi got to walk right in. Obama is a disgrace to the office.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:19 pm to petar
quote:
soccer
quote:
allowing women to vote
and I'll add
quote:
Designated Hitter Rule
Will be the downfall of this country.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:21 pm to petar
quote:What is the basis of the >5-fold per capita income difference Mexico vs the US?
how would this lead to the downfall of this country
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:22 pm to petar
Because an already overburdened social safety net would be snowed under. Open those borders with no restrictions and MILLIONS would come in, most of them poor and looking for free medical care,housing and financial aid. We can't afford it.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:31 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:It's a complicated question, petar. Take your time.
What is the basis of the >5-fold per capita income difference Mexico vs the US?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:38 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Designated Hitter Rule
quote:
What is the basis of the >5-fold per capita income difference Mexico vs the US?
I don't know maybe its the fact that we had a more established economic, judicial, and political system for much longer that has allowed for the free market growth through capitalism to develop. Maybe it is the fact that we had more natural resources and the capital to use these natural resources in productive ways. Maybe it was the open immigration policy of our fore fathers that allowed for hard working intelligent people with dreams and big ideas to come this country? Maybe it was the growth in disposable income that came after the second world war that led to an explosion of industry and technology?
Did you just ask me what made America great?
Im all for this question
but not totally sure what you were trying to imply. Certainly you don't think the answer to a 5 fold per capita income difference can be solely answer by one simple solution. Plus mexico GDP is growing at a rate superior to ours right now and many predict that it will surpass brazil as the top economy in latin/south america.
why do you always answer with a question? you obviously think you know the answer. why not just say it? Do you believe you have to give a pretentious "teaching lesson" to any answer anything on this board?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:42 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
It's a complicated question, petar.
I agree and i think the answer might only have slight connections to the "HUGE" point you are trying to make.
once again. you know what you are trying to say. why not just say it instead of using this cat and mouse, bait and trap type of response. Open discussion generally does better if you actually make points instead of just asking a loaded question that you impose upon others that over simplifies the question.
you have just asked me why do i think the history of two nations economies are different, and you expect a quick response?
Page 8 of 10
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News