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re: Anybody else glad Neocons are trending out?
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:19 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:19 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
i still do not understand how evangelicals embraced Trump, considering his character... he is so many things that they absolutely disagree with, yet they try and put in this "God's answer" box... i'm pretty sure if God would have had a say, Trump wouldn't have even been on the list....
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:22 pm to Andychapman13
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I am a Christian and a conservative, but I make sure not to mix the two
you may, but your party wants to... like, really bad wants to...
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:26 pm to Andychapman13
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Anybody else feel this way?
No, I'm not a fan of the neocuck trumpkins.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:30 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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See this is a very good example of one of the most brilliant things Trump's campaign did.
Trump is a very secular and non religious person and he still made outreaches to the evangelicals and promised to uphold their interests in law and administrative policy making and rolling back the Obama administration's attacks on them. In doing that, he could've pretended to be a born again christian and holy roller to win their votes but he didn't do that and he still acted in a manner that makes pretty clear that he's not very religious while still meeting with them and praying with them.
Trump won the christian and evangelical vote by a gigantic landslide not seen in decades. And he has not governed in a way befitting of a bible thumping christian.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:30 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Like what? Legislation catered to a fringe portion of the party is the way of the Democrat.
I don't think people with in tact families are a fringe of the party by any means, and I don't think Christians are anywhere close to a fringe group in the GOP! I think child tax credits to married families with 2 working parents who make less than say $100K/year is a pro-family piece of legislation. I'd say cutting social welfare to people who are not married is pro-family lesgislation. I dont think those are fringe policies.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:32 pm to chRxis
I don't think the majority of Christians are embracing Trump. It came down to people who still possess free thought making sure "the criminal " did not become POTUS.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:32 pm to Sentrius
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And he has not governed in a way befitting of a bible thumping christian.
Nothing has come up one way or another to validate this assertion.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:33 pm to Sentrius
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brilliant
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made outreaches to the evangelicals and promised to uphold their interests
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he has not governed in a way befitting of a bible thumping christian.
There's nothing brilliant or inventive about being a lying scumbag. Trump showed everyone that he's just like every other politician, and little more.
I do love being right, though...
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:36 pm to Andychapman13
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I don't think people with in tact families are a fringe of the party by any means
That's why I asked for you to expand on your thought.
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I don't think Christians are anywhere close to a fringe group in the GOP!
Christians that want to force their beliefs on others through "pro-family" or any other legislation certainly are.
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I think child tax credits to married families with 2 working parents who make less than say $100K/year is a pro-family piece of legislation.
Yep, and this has no place in the Republican party.
Next.
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I'd say cutting social welfare to people who are not married is pro-family lesgislation.
Why limit it to that?
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I dont think those are fringe policies.
Well, they are.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:39 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Christians that want to force their beliefs on others through "pro-family" or any other legislation certainly are.
What "pro-family" legislation do you object to?
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:40 pm to Andychapman13
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huge Reagan fan, campaigned for HW Bush in 3rd grade,
These are two of the biggest. Neocons and founders of the neocon movement ever.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:43 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I think child tax credits to married families with 2 working parents who make less than say $100K/year is a pro-family piece of legislation.
Yep, and this has no place in the Republican party.
Marco Rubio, a GOP Senator, proposed this legislation. I've never seen anything close to this proposed by the Dems. I didn't realize you were the official designee of what is "Republican" and what is not. I bet if you polled a 100% GOP audience a good majority would support it! Because Republicans hate tax credits, right?!?!
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:47 pm to Andychapman13
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Marco Rubio, a GOP Senator, proposed this legislation.
W got this legislation passed.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:55 pm to Andychapman13
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A-historical?!?! Dude, I majored in history in college, did you watch some history lesson video on BET or something? The idea of spreading democracy had a foundation half a century before neocons came about and it was a bipartisan movement supported by presidents from both parties for a couple generations. It was first widely abused by LBJ(Dem) during Vietnam to finance Brown and Root, who later became Haliburton. He had strong ties to Brown and Root and made bank off those guys. Bush/Cheney Iraq war was the same deal, just on a different part of the globe.
Where did you get that degree - infowars U?
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Nationalism is a movement dating back to Andrew Jackson, in which the political focus on the country shifts to doing what is best for the majority of citizens of this country. Jackson was a populist and so is Trump, so to see Trump have a Nationalist platform is not shocking. It's also not a racist platform. Just the fact that it has a very low tolerance for bullshite allow's the media and the left to try and label as this big racist movement, blah, blah, blah!
This chunk is just a bunch of blah blah blah of you projecting what you wish trump were. This Andrew Jackson link was being peddled by talking heads the night he won so congrats on the unoriginal, empty comparison.
Again, point to a single material change in our foreign policy under trump.
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Name one other president in the past 20 years who openly called out the nations of NATO for not paying their agreed to terms regarding GDP to defense spending.
BHO. Did you come to life 1/20/2017?
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Name one president in the last 20 years who pulled out of a BS, sham show climate deal in order to protect the American economy.
I think the answer is zero and it's still zero today.
One day, maybe, you'll figure out you were scammed by the most obvious con artists to ever run for president.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 6:05 pm to Andychapman13
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Name one other president in the past 20 years who openly called out the nations of NATO for not paying their agreed to terms regarding GDP to defense spending.
" Bush to Press Allies for More Defense Spending at NATO Summit" (November 27, 2006)
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Name one president in the last 20 years who pulled out of a BS, sham show climate deal in order to protect the American economy.
" Bush kills global warming treaty" (March 29, 2001)
Posted on 5/29/17 at 6:06 pm to oklahogjr
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HW Bush
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These are two of the biggest. Neocons and founders of the neocon movement ever.
Dafuq?
Posted on 5/29/17 at 6:11 pm to Doc Fenton
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Dafuq?
Explain the difference between Bush and McCain foreign policy views.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 6:12 pm to oklahogjr
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These are two of the biggest. Neocons and founders of the neocon movement ever.
Reagan not a neocon at all! Where'd he go to war?!?! Nowhere! Dude cut taxes and shrunk the size of the federal govt by 40%! HW wasn't a neocon either. Dessert Storm was a legit war in which he got in and got out. Neither of those guys went to war in the name of democracy!
Posted on 5/29/17 at 6:17 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Christians that want to force their beliefs on others through "pro-family" or any other legislation certainly are.
Unfortunately, it's really not fringe at all. Neither is the home mortgage interest deduction. It's just ordinary, run-of-the-mill political rent seeking.
It also has little to do with neoconservatism. If you are looking at the people pushing for free trade restrictions, manufacturing subsidies, pro-family subsidies, and blue collar wage supports, those would be paleocons like Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam.
Neoconservatism, at its core, is just a system of thought in favor of classical liberalism, academic freedom, respect for the moral and religious traditions of America, belief in American exceptionalism, and supporting the universality of American values, and the promotion of those values abroad. It was originally a reaction of mainstream classical Democrats to the freak show that the Democratic Party became in 1968, but philosophically speaking, it's much deeper than that.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 6:18 pm to oklahogjr
Which Bush?
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