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re: Anybody else glad Neocons are trending out?
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:10 am to KCT
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:10 am to KCT
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The next time Trump has the military invade another country & camp out for 10 years for the purpose of "nation-building," let me know.
Since those invasions, what has changed? We're still lobbing missiles, still in 2 countries nation building, still kowtowing to KSA, still playing the fix Israel-Palestine issue...again, what's the material change?
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In fact, please tell me if he ever tries to prop up the bloodthirsty Muslim Brotherhood in some ME country like Egypt, too.
Right he just sword dances with a regime that makes the MB look like Jeffersonians.
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Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:11 am to Andychapman13
I hated McCain for years.
McCain, Graham, Schumer, and Reid can all
go frick themselves. They represent what is wrong with Washington.
McCain, Graham, Schumer, and Reid can all
go frick themselves. They represent what is wrong with Washington.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:12 am to cwill
Instead of running up a war tab by fighting countries around the world, we're forming alliances with Saudi and Israel so that they can fight the extremist Iranian govt, who openly says they hate America and they can help us root out extremists so that we have to use less resources (money and people) to do so. Then, we told the countries of NATO to pay up, so that if we stay in that outdated deal, at least we can say the partnership isn't quite so one sided.
Both of those examples save American taxpayers money and enable other countries to defend themselves and be less dependent on us.
Both of those examples save American taxpayers money and enable other countries to defend themselves and be less dependent on us.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:17 am to Andychapman13
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Instead of running up a war tab by fighting countries around the world
What countries (or in what countries) were we fighting that we are now not fighting?
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we're forming alliances with Saudi and Israel so that they can fight the extremist Iranian govt
When did we not have these mill-stone around our neck alliances?
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fight the extremist Iranian govt, who openly says they hate America and they can help us root out extremists so that we have to use less resources (money and people) to do so.
The Iranian gov is openly in opposition to our policies while KSA smiles and hugs us while plunging the dagger into our back. They are the fountainhead of the extremists in the region. What brand of Islam is responsible for 9/11 and every terrorist attack thereafter?
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Then, we told the countries of NATO to pay up, so that if we stay in that outdated deal, at least we can say the partnership isn't quite so one sided.
Not new...and exactly how is this not neo-con?
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Both of those examples save American taxpayers money and enable other countries to defend themselves and be less dependent on us.
Those are only changes if you woke up on Jan 20, 2017 and have no memory of the last 20 years.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:18 am to SCLibertarian
Well said. 
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:21 am to SCLibertarian
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Neoconservatism is evil, plain and simple. It is a doctrine that requires perpetual war around the globe, a massive surveillance apparatus and huge deficits.
Neoconservatives would gladly send Americans overseas to die, not because the homeland was threatened, but because of some vague platitude that it was in our interest to do so.
If conservatism is a political philosophy meant to limit the size and scope of government and enshrine the value of human life, neoconservatism is 180 degrees its opposite.
Par for the course on this board - completely overstate. Neoconservatism had a noble goal - spread democracy - but the premise was fatally flawed. It just doesn't work and those that continue to advocate the idea are simply too deeply invested now to admit the mistake....a very common human trait.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:45 am to cwill
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Neoconservatism had a noble goal - spread democracy - but the premise was fatally flawed.
National self-dterminization was the global spread of democracy movement in this country and it was done post WWII in America and embraced by the Democratic party just as much as the Republican party.
The Reagan era brought forth the Christian conservative movement in this country, in which military spending did increase, however our military presence around the globe was minimal. The neocon movement was a money and power grab in which Republicans tried to mock Lyndon Johnson, by making a private personal fortune and doing it in the name of spreading democracy. This movement, it's elected officials, and mainly the electorate have been being subplanted by the Tea Party movement in America for about 8 years now. Trumps candidacy is a marriage of an anti-establishment movement in this country and several of the goals of the Tea Party. The Nationalist is one in which we believe our government should focus on things that are in the best interests of the majority of American citizens. The media and leftist have had minimal success trying to associate the Nationalist movement with "White Nationalism". As originally stated, we could have a more polished Prince than Trump, but it is a sign that the GOP electorate
Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:46 am to Andychapman13
Neocons are terrible. So 00s.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:19 am to SavageOrangeJug
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SavageOrangeJug
So your only argument is Obama did it too? Fun fact, I was not a fan of the Obama administration. quote:
Obama bombed 7 nations.
Obama bombing people has nothing to do with George Bush and the other neocons invading Iraq and spending tons of money on military hardware for both us and the Iraqis.
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Let's restrict gun rights and shut down other opinions.
I'm extremely pro-second amendment. I'm also extremely anti-Patriot Act, which was forced through after 9/11 by the neocons.
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$20 trillion in debt. Thanks Obama for half of it.
Obama spending our monies like a drunken sailor sucked hard. How many trillions were spent on a nation building product that ended up blowing up in our faces?
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I'll bet you have been signed up for years.
I enjoy how you assumed I was a liberal based on not liking neocons.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:20 am to MrCarton
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Neocons are trending out, in small part thanks for Ron and Rand Paul. I'd like to take this moment to address all those that said Ron "never accomplished anything" in Congress.
Thank god. Hopefully Rand can season up a little for the next go around and stay in the race longer.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 11:34 am to MrCarton
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Ron and Rand Paul. I'd like to take this moment to address all those that said Ron "never accomplished anything" in Congress.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 3:33 pm to Andychapman13
That is one of the most a-historical posts ever put forth on this board and that's saying something pal. You're trying way to hard to shoe horn a version of history into this bullshite narrative of trump being a new kind of nationalist...again point to a single action that deviates from the last 20 yrs of US foreign policy.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 4:14 pm to SCLibertarian
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Neoconservatism is evil, plain and simple. It is a doctrine that requires perpetual war around the globe, a massive surveillance apparatus and huge deficits.
Necons the are the Corporatocracy party. They will fall inline with the Globalist/Progessive agenda if their is money to be made.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 4:52 pm to SCLibertarian
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Neoconservatism is evil, plain and simple. It is a doctrine that requires perpetual war around the globe, a massive surveillance apparatus and huge deficits.
Neoconservatives would gladly send Americans overseas to die, not because the homeland was threatened, but because of some vague platitude that it was in our interest to do so.
If conservatism is a political philosophy meant to limit the size and scope of government and enshrine the value of human life, neoconservatism is 180 degrees its opposite.
Yep.
NeoCons in the GOP is one big driving reason of Donald Trump's rise to power. The party establishment tried to force more of that bullshite down our throats with Jeb Bush and it was absolutely disgusting.
Trump isn't completely puritan as a non-interventionist but he's very instinctive on it and case in point was putting the brakes on the saber rattling his national security team was doing after he bombed Syria and said we're not going into syria to remove Assad.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:01 pm to cwill
A-historical?!?! Dude, I majored in history in college, did you watch some history lesson video on BET or something? The idea of spreading democracy had a foundation half a century before neocons came about and it was a bipartisan movement supported by presidents from both parties for a couple generations. It was first widely abused by LBJ(Dem) during Vietnam to finance Brown and Root, who later became Haliburton. He had strong ties to Brown and Root and made bank off those guys. Bush/Cheney Iraq war was the same deal, just on a different part of the globe. Nationalism is a movement dating back to Andrew Jackson, in which the political focus on the country shifts to doing what is best for the majority of citizens of this country. Jackson was a populist and so is Trump, so to see Trump have a Nationalist platform is not shocking. It's also not a racist platform. Just the fact that it has a very low tolerance for bullshite allow's the media and the left to try and label as this big racist movement, blah, blah, blah!
Name one other president in the past 20 years who openly called out the nations of NATO for not paying their agreed to terms regarding GDP to defense spending. Name one president in the last 20 years who pulled out of a BS, sham show climate deal in order to protect the American economy.
Name one other president in the past 20 years who openly called out the nations of NATO for not paying their agreed to terms regarding GDP to defense spending. Name one president in the last 20 years who pulled out of a BS, sham show climate deal in order to protect the American economy.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:06 pm to Sentrius
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NeoCons in the GOP
Now if we could just get rid of the religious right, we'd be set.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Now if we could just get rid of the religious right, we'd be set.
We just elected the most secular, areligious and non religious republican ever as President.
I'm not too worried about the religious right now these days.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:13 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Now if we could just get rid of the religious right, we'd be set.
I think we can create some pro-family legislation to satisfy them, they are a huge voting block! They just get behind people a little less Ted Cruz-ish! I am a Christian and a conservative, but I make sure not to mix the two!
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:14 pm to Sentrius
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republican
Sure we did.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 5:15 pm to Andychapman13
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pro-family legislation
Like what? Legislation catered to a fringe portion of the party is the way of the Democrat.
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