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re: Anybody else glad Neocons are trending out?

Posted on 5/30/17 at 5:06 am to
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 5:06 am to
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Under Reagan, they had some influence, but not that much, as realists like James Baker held the day. Under Bush41, the neoconservatives didn't have much influence on anyone but Dan Quayle, who let it be remembered, was not a very consequential VP.


Perhaps the only success Reagan had was not blowing up the Middle East. He finessed the Iraq/Iran war. It came to an inconclusive end. That was to our benefit.

That the Bush 43 people could say, "Oh we didn't expect all those problems in Iraq," that is just a fricking lie.

Cheney in 1994 on Iraq

The purpose of invading Iraq was to destabilize the Middle East - to wreck any prospect of peace. The big winner in all that is Israel. Paid for with the blood of our finest young people.

Yes, it was a policy change after the Reagan years. Our foreign policy now serves another nation.

And every time I see Kushner I just cringe.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71710 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 6:41 am to
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Cheney in 1994 on Iraq


It's almost like something changed in Iraq from January 20, 1993 through January 20, 2001.
Posted by Elvis Parsley
Red Stuck
Member since Jan 2004
616 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 6:56 am to
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At this point, I'd consider McCain a Democrat.


Neocon = undercover democrat
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 7:03 am to
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Cheney in 1994 on Iraq It's almost like something changed in Iraq from January 20, 1993 through January 20, 2001.


Well, that is the thing. Nothing much changed. They certainly put up the resistance predicted by Cheney in 1994.

Following the Neo-con agenda superseded the best interests of the United States. That is what changed.

And the big winner is Israel.
This post was edited on 5/30/17 at 7:06 am
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71710 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 7:07 am to
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Well, that is the thing. Nothing much changed.




You don't see a problem with that?

Thanks Clinton.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 7:31 am to
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Thanks Clinton.


I wrote this a while back.

"Cheney At The Bat"

Things looked extremely rocky for the Neo-Cons that day,
Clinton was in office, common sense ruled the day.

If only, Cheney, mighty Cheney could take a whack at that
they'd put even more money on big Oil with Cheney at the bat!

So Chalabi proceded Cheney and likewise so did Niger cake,
the former was a devil the latter was a fake.

But to the wonder of all, Chalabi didn't fall,
and over Yellowcake - the Press took in it all.

And when the Neo-Cons saw what had occured
US Troops were on the Iraqi border, our allies were the Kurds!

Then from five thousand Neo-con throats and more there rose a lusty
yell;
it rumbled through the Wash Post, it rattled in the Jour-nel;

it pounded through on the mountain and recoiled upon the flat;
for Cheney, mighty Cheney, was advancing to the bat.

There was ease in Cheney's manner as he stepped into his place,
there was pride in Cheney's bearing and a smile lit Cheney's face.

And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat,
no stranger in the crowd could doubt t'was Cheney at the bat.

Ten thousand eyes were on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt.
Five thousand tongues applauded when he wiped them on his shirt.

Then, while the writhing Osama made a tape to ship,
defiance flashed in Cheney's eye, a sneer curled Cheney's lip.

And when the fatal liners had come hurtling through the air,
and Cheney stood a-watching them in haughty grandeur there.

Close by the sturdy batsman the responsibility unheeded sped --
"That ain't my style," said Cheney.

"Three thousand dead!" the umpire said.
From the benches, black with apathy, there went up a muffled roar,
like the beating of the storm waves on a stern and distant shore.

"Kill him! Kill the umpire!" shouted the FOX News faithful on the
stand,
and it's likely they'd have killed him had not Cheney raised his
hand.

With a smile of Christian charity, great Cheney's visage shone,
he stilled the rising tumult, he bade the game go on.

He signaled to Osama, and there was a tape anew,
but Cheney still ignored it, and the umpire said, "Strike two!"

"Fraud!" cried the Fox News Faithful, and echo answered "Fraud!"
But one scornful look from Cheney and the Christian Right was awed.

They saw his face grow stern and cold, they saw his muscles strain,
and they knew that Cheney wouldn't let that ball go by again.

The sneer has fled from Cheney's lip, the teeth are clenched in hate.
He pounds, with cruel violence, his bat upon the plate.

And now Osama holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
and now the air is shattered by the force of Cheney's blow.

Oh, somewhere in this formerly favored land the sun is shining
bright.
A funeral moves forward somewhere, and somewhere there's a fight.
And, somewhere men are dying, and little children bleed out,

And there is no victory on Main Street USA --
mighty Cheney has snuck out.

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71710 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 7:37 am to
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Clinton was in office, common sense ruled the day.


Stopped reading.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 7:38 am to
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Clinton was in office, common sense ruled the day.

Stopped reading.


"Not yet sold out to the globalists" didn't rhyme.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71710 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 7:42 am to
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"Not yet sold out to the globalists" didn't rhyme.


It wouldn't be accurate, either.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 8:13 am to
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"Not yet sold out to the globalists" didn't rhyme.

It wouldn't be accurate, either.


Oh Geez.....Your little carping comments are not very persuasive.

What is your take? Why did Cheney say in 1994 that invading Iraq was a bad idea, but in 2002 say it was a good idea?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71710 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 8:14 am to
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Why did Cheney say in 1994 that invading Iraq was a bad idea, but in 2002 say it was a good idea?


Do you understand that 1994 Iraq and 2002 Iraq were completely different?

Let's start there.
Posted by chRxis
None of your fricking business
Member since Feb 2008
23605 posts
Posted on 5/30/17 at 8:20 pm to
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I don't think the majority of Christians are embracing Trump

that hasn't been my experience....

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It came down to people who still possess free thought making sure "the criminal " did not become POTUS.

but here's the thing.... it should have never gotten to that point... if the Evangelicals vote based on beliefs and give more credence to character, he doesn't get out of the primaries... it's just a shame that so many people put morality aside, not in the general (because both were terrible), but in the primaries where you actually saw candidates that much more morally upstanding....
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