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re: Alabama Senate votes to allow church to form police dept.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:38 pm to Five0
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:38 pm to Five0
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This is such a bad idea. It was brought up after a drug bust at Briarwood HS. This, in my opinion, is to allow the big money there to be able to protect their darlings from the consequences of drug arrests on their records. I also think it will turn into a lawsuit factory as the "agency" goes out of its way to cover for those pulling its strings.
Your opinion is stupid. This church will have duly sworn police officers who answer to the city chief of police, not the Church itself.
Jesus H Christ I weep for this country.
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:45 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
LOL at the posters who think this will be it's on entity that enforces it's own laws and answers to the preacher.
It's nothing more than a precinct or substation on church property funded by the church but ran by the city.
It's nothing more than a precinct or substation on church property funded by the church but ran by the city.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:49 pm to theenemy
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LOL at the posters who think this will be it's on entity that enforces it's own laws and answers to the preacher.
It's nothing more than a precinct or substation on church property funded by the church but ran by the city.
I Would laugh, but it's truly tragic how stupid some people are. I'd be embarrassed if I were half the people (or more) posting on message boards .
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:52 pm to LSU1NSEC
Does Alabama still have sodomy laws on the books?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:54 pm to theenemy
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It's nothing more than a precinct or substation on church property funded by the church but ran by the city.
yeah totally. so common place that it would be unprecedented in the united states. whats the big deal?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:55 pm to theenemy
Here is the bill
quote:
180538-1:n:10/27/2016:FC/tj LRS2016-3266
SB193
By Senator Waggoner
RFD Judiciary
Rd 1 16-FEB-17
SYNOPSIS: This bill would authorize Briarwood Presbyterian Church, organized as a nonprofit church under Alabama's nonprofit corporation law, to employ police officers under certain conditions.
A BILL
TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT
To authorize Briarwood Presbyterian Church, organized as a nonprofit church under Alabama's nonprofit corporation law, to employ police officers under certain conditions.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF ALABAMA:
Section 1. (a) The Board of Trustees of Briarwood Presbyterian Church, organized as a nonprofit church under Alabama's nonprofit corporation law, may appoint and employ one or more persons to act as police officers to protect the safety and integrity of the church and its ministries. Persons employed as police officers pursuant to this section shall be charged with all of the duties and invested with all of the powers of law enforcement officers in this state.
(b) Every police officer appointed and employed pursuant to this section shall be certified by the Alabama Peace Officers Standards and Training Commission and shall meet all of its requirements, including continuing education.
(c) The authority of any police officer appointed and employed pursuant to this section shall be restricted to the campuses and properties of Briarwood Presbyterian Church.
Section 2. This act shall become effective immediately following its passage and approval by the Governor, or its otherwise becoming law.
Law Enforcement Officers
Briarwood Presbyterian Church
Jefferson County
Shelby County
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:58 pm to 9th life
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yeah totally. so common place that it would be unprecedented in the united states. whats the big deal?
By your logic , blacks should still be slaves, women should not have the vote, or be able to drive, gays should have been told to stay in the closet, etc etc.
I mean all those things were unprecedented when they first happened.
Are you some alt right whack job?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:00 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Your opinion is stupid.
No, it is just more aware than yours.
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This church will have duly sworn police officers who answer to the city chief of police, not the Church itself.
Right. The church is paying the officers so who do you really think they will answer to? You say,
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who answer to the city chief of police, not the Church itself.
Can you show me where the bill states this delegation of authority? I'll patiently wait.
The Actual Bill
ETA: Good on MrLarson for beating me here with the actual bill that I'm sure everyone has seen. I had to dig through alison to find it. IT IS VERY BROAD.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:02 pm to LSU1NSEC
Don't really care but . . .
The largest church in the state (Highlands) has security guards everywhere - most are volunteers I think.
I see the need for guards, but paid policemen?
The largest church in the state (Highlands) has security guards everywhere - most are volunteers I think.
I see the need for guards, but paid policemen?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:03 pm to The Spleen
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It should be pointed out that this church has a school connected with it where a handful of students got caught up in a drug bust about a year ago. The school took a little bit of a PR hit when it got leaked to the press.
You are correct that many morons in the area thought poorly of the school for not releasing information they are not legally allowed to release to the general public at large. They informed anyone with children at the school of the issue when it went down, and that is all they are obligated to do.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:03 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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By your logic , blacks should still be slaves, women should not have the vote, or be able to drive, gays should have been told to stay in the closet, etc etc.
I mean all those things were unprecedented when they first happened.
You seem like a rational person
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:05 pm to Bham4Tide
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Don't really care but . . .
The largest church in the state (Highlands) has security guards everywhere - most are volunteers I think.
I see the need for guards, but paid policemen?
They are hired based on the formula I posted above regarding extra job positions. I attend Highlands, but never in uniform.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:07 pm to imjustafatkid
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You are correct that many morons in the area thought poorly of the school for not releasing information they are not legally allowed to release to the general public at large. They informed anyone with children at the school of the issue when it went down, and that is all they are obligated to do.
The only problem is that the front side of an I/O report(s) is released to the public so the crime stats can be tallied by local media. At most shops, they are in the public area in a binder with identifying information redacted.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:09 pm to Five0
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Can you show me where the bill states this delegation of authority? I'll patiently wait.
The bill clearly states who the police will answer to, and just like any other police department if they get out of line, there are remedies. Meaning they can and will be investigated by internal affairs or the state police if necessary.
This made me laugh though
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No, it is just more aware than yours.
Not it isn't. I base my opinions on facts, you clearly have based yours on feelings. You stopped thinking the moment you read "church" and "police" in the same sentence.
This will be a lawful police department that enforces city laws within the church property and will be held to the same standards as any other police department within the state of Alabama. Nothing more, nothing less.
This is a truly simple concept , but because it is a Christian church of course it is being attacked as something it is not.
The ONLY problem here would be if a giant Muslim church in Alabama also wated a police force , and were told no.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:09 pm to Five0
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The only problem is that the front side of an I/O report(s) is released to the public so the crime stats can be tallied by local media. At most shops, they are in the public area in a binder with identifying information redacted.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. The police department released whatever information they could about that drug bust incident. It didn't tell anyone anything more than was already known because the kid was a minor and they couldn't release much more information than the school could. That situation was a bunch of overblown nonsense fanned by the anti-church losers at al.com.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:09 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
You haven't made one post in this thread without calling someone stupid or otherwise insulting them. I bet you think you win a lot of debates.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:11 pm to Five0
That bill is seriously lacking and should not have passed.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:11 pm to 9th life
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is that the same Briarwood?
I thought the school was in a different location.
ETA: regardless, this is a poorly thought out idea and, as others have said, I don't see how this holds up.
My alma mater.
The elementary school is on the church campus. The middle and high school campus is about 5 miles away as the crow flies.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:14 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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The elementary school is on the church campus. The middle and high school campus is about 5 miles away as the crow flies.
Thanks for clarifying for me.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:19 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Not it isn't. I base my opinions on facts, you clearly have based yours on feelings.
If you say so. My APOST certification and the JD after my name disagree with you.
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