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re: Alabama Senate votes to allow church to form police dept.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:25 pm to LSUcjb318
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:25 pm to LSUcjb318
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I'm sure you guys wouldn't be panicking if a mosk did this.
I can see the click bait headline now.
To whoever says they will be glorified security guards, they will be no different than a city cop.
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:26 pm to geauxtigahs87
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Agree with this sentiment
If the church wants to basically be their own precinct composed of officers that are all church parishioners, I've got no issue.
But they should report to the city police department, not the church.
They no doubt will. They will have to be an actual police force, not some religious police that enforces whatever they feel like and does whatever they want.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:35 pm to ehidal1
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It's common in Texas for the ISD's to have police. It protects the schools (even in off hours/days), patrols the school zones, directs traffic, and deals with other student issues.
ISDs are government subdivisions. Churches are not. There are a plethora of issues here with giving a religious institution the legitimate use of government force. I don't see how it stands against First Amendment scrutiny.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 12:49 pm to geauxtigahs87
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Agree with this sentiment
If the church wants to basically be their own precinct composed of officers that are all church parishioners, I've got no issue.
But they should report to the city police department, not the church.
It should be pointed out that this church has a school connected with it where a handful of students got caught up in a drug bust about a year ago. The school took a little bit of a PR hit when it got leaked to the press. This is more about what this is over than police at the church.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Whats wrong with hiring a couple of security guards?
Which is what it would be
If that's all it was, it wouldn't require an act of congress.
This is a religious institution creating a police force. That's never a good idea.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:10 pm to LSU1NSEC
wtf??
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:11 pm to skrayper
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This is a religious institution creating a police force. That's never a good idea.
Are you afraid they are going to go door to door in Hoover collecting books they don't agree with?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:12 pm to LSU1NSEC
Are they calling it the Faith Militant?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:15 pm to LSU1NSEC
My old church hired 4 police officers every week to keep the congregation safe. They have their own security team and concealed carry is not discouraged.
Better to be ready to rock when it comes time to rock than relying on a phone.
Better to be ready to rock when it comes time to rock than relying on a phone.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:15 pm to LSU1NSEC
So....if a mosque wanted to form any army of mujaheddin to protect its madrasas the Alabama State Senate would be cool with it? Huh, didn't expect that.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:16 pm to The Spleen
is that the same Briarwood?
I thought the school was in a different location.
ETA: regardless, this is a poorly thought out idea and, as others have said, I don't see how this holds up.
I thought the school was in a different location.
ETA: regardless, this is a poorly thought out idea and, as others have said, I don't see how this holds up.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:16 pm to LSU1NSEC
Does this law enforcement enforce laws only within it's congregation? And, if they make an arrest within their congregation where will they hold them? How long? Do they get a trial? What exactly are the laws they are enforcing and are those laws even legal laws?
Too many questions and this sounds dangerous as freak.
If they just need some security against bad guys trying to shoot up the place like Notorious BIG says not to do then just have some folks on staff who are CC permit licensed and have them on perimeters each service.
Weird as freak.
Too many questions and this sounds dangerous as freak.
If they just need some security against bad guys trying to shoot up the place like Notorious BIG says not to do then just have some folks on staff who are CC permit licensed and have them on perimeters each service.
Weird as freak.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:19 pm to geauxtigahs87
quote:
Agree with this sentiment
If the church wants to basically be their own precinct composed of officers that are all church parishioners, I've got no issue.
But they should report to the city police department, not the church.
Look if anyone can think of an example of a major church using both secular power and religious authority to say bury evidence of the systematic cover up of child sex abuse then I'll agree this could be troubling, but I just can't think of anything that throws a spotlight on a problem like that.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:21 pm to reo45
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Too many questions and this sounds dangerous as freak.
Why does Jefferson State Community College get its own police force and other private schools cannot?
I'm not familiar with the laws pertaining to this issue, and I wonder what they say about public schools. When I taught at a public high school, there was a city police officer stationed at the school. Can they be stationed at private schools as well?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:23 pm to montanagator
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army of mujaheddin
A few armed security guards is exactly the same.
Idiot.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:23 pm to reo45
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Too many questions and this sounds dangerous as freak.
Only if you are an idiot incapable of basic thought.
They will be essentially a police precinct within the city police department. How fricking hard is that to understand?
That means they will enforce CITY laws within the church's property, and not some religious laws . I mean is this really that difficult of a concept?
And if they make arrests, they will be held at the same place that other arrestees are detained, in the city fricking jail.
I mean come on, are you people really this stupid?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:27 pm to LSU1NSEC
This is such a bad idea. It was brought up after a drug bust at Briarwood HS. This, in my opinion, is to allow the big money there to be able to protect their darlings from the consequences of drug arrests on their records. I also think it will turn into a lawsuit factory as the "agency" goes out of its way to cover for those pulling its strings.
ETA:
Think bigger.
ETA:
quote:
a handful of students got caught up in a drug bust about a year ago.
Think bigger.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:29 pm to roadGator
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My old church hired 4 police officers every week to keep the congregation safe.
And they still answered to their agency's chain of command and policy.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:30 pm to Five0
They should just hire a private armed security team then?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:34 pm to roadGator
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They should just hire a private armed security team then?
No. You hire off-duty officers in the jurisdiction. In order for me to do this:
1. I must have a minimum amount of liability insurance that I pay for.
2. The job must be approved.
3. The off-duty employer is notified that our chain of command, state law, policy, etc applies to any action I take. Read, no conflict of interest with normal law enforcement duties.
4. The off-duty employer has no say in enforcement actions.
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