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How much to set aside for kids college
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:07 pm
I've got a 529 set up for each of my kids. Fortunately they are both straight A students, so far ( 8th and 7th grade). I'm wondering how much I should have saved up per kid, assuming they go to a state school such as LSU?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:15 pm to guttata
I think I'm not going to do the 529 and save the money elsewhere, because those little bastards better get a scholarship. And if they get one, then the restrictions on that 529 money are going to suck.
I figure its a weird balancing act because you don't want to oversave and have to pay the penalties due to not using on college expenses. I'm 20 years from this issue so someone else may have a better comment on it.
ETA: Can't you use the money for Room and Board? I'd save up that amount for sure.
I figure its a weird balancing act because you don't want to oversave and have to pay the penalties due to not using on college expenses. I'm 20 years from this issue so someone else may have a better comment on it.
ETA: Can't you use the money for Room and Board? I'd save up that amount for sure.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:22 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:yes. any college related expenses
Can't you use the money for Room and Board?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:24 pm to jimbeam
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yes. any college related expenses
I'd do that then. Screw tuition. Rather put the money somewhere else and if I have too much, don't get penalized for it.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:30 pm to guttata
Depends on what you want to provide as far as "college" goes. Tuition? Books? Full bill? If they decide to go to LSU where TOPS and other scholarships typically allow good students to attend for little to nothing, you probably won't pay more than a thousand per semester in tuition fees. If they decide to go out of state, get ready to pay some bills.
Just a highball estimate for paying for a full-bill LSU student without TOPS or scholarships:
Tuition (In-state): $4000/semester [$8000/year]
12-month lease: $600/month [$7200/year]
Books & Supplies: $750/semester [$1500/year]
Meal plan: $2000/semester [$4000/year]
Total: $20,000/year
Add or subtract from tuition depending on school, but that's a safe estimate in my opinion.
Just a highball estimate for paying for a full-bill LSU student without TOPS or scholarships:
Tuition (In-state): $4000/semester [$8000/year]
12-month lease: $600/month [$7200/year]
Books & Supplies: $750/semester [$1500/year]
Meal plan: $2000/semester [$4000/year]
Total: $20,000/year
Add or subtract from tuition depending on school, but that's a safe estimate in my opinion.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:38 pm to Spitting Venom
I'm not sure if I should keep saving in a 529 or maybe start something else. I figure I've got 5 years till my oldest will be starting college. I currently have $35k saved up in each of their 529 accts. just wondering if I should keep funding 529, or maybe start something else.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:46 pm to guttata
If they are good students that's enough by far IMO.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:54 pm to jimbeam
You can also use the funds to pay for things like study abroad or summer travel/study. Lots of wonderful programs out there, great for kids to get international experience.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:31 pm to hungryone
quote:
Tuition (In-state): $4000/semester [$8000/year]
Thats high...
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:40 pm to Coach Guidry
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:46 pm to jimbeam
quote:
If they are good students that's enough by far IMO.
Unless they're really good students and want something better than a State School education.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:48 pm to GaryMyMan
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Unless they're really good students and want something better than a State School education.
Exactly, it will be there if they need it
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:05 pm to GaryMyMan
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Unless they're really good students and want something better than a State School education.
1) Move to Virginia
2) Send your kids to UVA or William and Mary
3) ?????
4) Profit.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:28 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Here is a side topic I've always wondered about regarding in-state vs out of state:
Lets say I live in Texas and want to send my kid to LSU. Below is the tuition difference from college data:
In-state: $8,750
Out-of-state: $26,467
So a difference of 18k per year or 72k over 4 years.
What if I bought a 250k rental property in Baton Rouge (using only 20% down) a couple years in advance of child attending LSU. Rent it out over the years prior to kid attending school. This would give a couple years to legitimize residency though property tax, vote in the state, etc. Then let the kids live in the house during school with friends helping pay the note.
What legal grounds would stop me from applying for in state tuition?
I am sure the recoup of equity through sale, rent collection, difference in tuition rates etc would greatly cover the headache, cost of greatest insurance plan to cover liabilities from college kids etc.
ETA: Just googled this scenario and it seems there are very strict rules: It's for residents who have an established domicile, not just owning real estate. Probably wont fly.
Lets say I live in Texas and want to send my kid to LSU. Below is the tuition difference from college data:
In-state: $8,750
Out-of-state: $26,467
So a difference of 18k per year or 72k over 4 years.
What if I bought a 250k rental property in Baton Rouge (using only 20% down) a couple years in advance of child attending LSU. Rent it out over the years prior to kid attending school. This would give a couple years to legitimize residency though property tax, vote in the state, etc. Then let the kids live in the house during school with friends helping pay the note.
What legal grounds would stop me from applying for in state tuition?
I am sure the recoup of equity through sale, rent collection, difference in tuition rates etc would greatly cover the headache, cost of greatest insurance plan to cover liabilities from college kids etc.
ETA: Just googled this scenario and it seems there are very strict rules: It's for residents who have an established domicile, not just owning real estate. Probably wont fly.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:32 pm to smoke4life
You'd also have to pay state income tax in Louisiana
Posted on 10/20/14 at 5:41 pm to smoke4life
quote:
ETA: Just googled this scenario and it seems there are very strict rules: It's for residents who have an established domicile, not just owning real estate. Probably wont fly.
Ya they're all over it.
quote:
Lets say I live in Texas and want to send my kid to LSU
If he's paying full rate to go to LSU, then he isn't going to LSU. Sorry future kid.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 6:55 pm to jimbeam
If tuition was covered and you needed a way to recoup the money without penalties, would this scenario be deemed legitimate?
Parent buys a property and rents it out to their child; using the 529 fund to pay the rent. Seems like it could be "dicey". I guess if a fair market value for rent was used it may be ok? Even if legitimate, it would depend on what the 529 withdrawal penalties vs net tax burden associated with an income property. Any insight?
Parent buys a property and rents it out to their child; using the 529 fund to pay the rent. Seems like it could be "dicey". I guess if a fair market value for rent was used it may be ok? Even if legitimate, it would depend on what the 529 withdrawal penalties vs net tax burden associated with an income property. Any insight?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:26 am to TigerDeBaiter
Withdrawals from the 529 cannot exceed the calculated Qualified Higher Educational Expenses for the student's institution. IOW, you can take out exactly what the school bills you for tuition and room & board or you're hit with a penalty. If the student isn't living on campus, the institution can provide you with an estimated cost of attendance for off-campus living, or for residing with parents. But any amount exceeding those estimates is taxed at 10%.
So you can use 529 money to pay rent, but it must be in line with the official estimated costs of attendance. You can't simply charge your kid an inflated rent as a way of "keeping" the 529 funds yourself.
You also can't double-dip....if you're paying educational expenses out of 529 money, you can't claim the opportunity tax credit or the lifetime learning credit.
So you can use 529 money to pay rent, but it must be in line with the official estimated costs of attendance. You can't simply charge your kid an inflated rent as a way of "keeping" the 529 funds yourself.
You also can't double-dip....if you're paying educational expenses out of 529 money, you can't claim the opportunity tax credit or the lifetime learning credit.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:56 am to hungryone
Good info. Thanks
I'm a couple decades away from such a scenario, but the idea crossed my mind and was really just curious.
I'm a couple decades away from such a scenario, but the idea crossed my mind and was really just curious.
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