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re: Update: all charges dropped against cop-SWAT storm house, kills 7 year old girl
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:08 pm to artompkins
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:08 pm to artompkins
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I believe the police were negligent here but it isn't murder as some of the hyperbole and rhetoric suggests.
I think it could be involuntary manslaughter which isn't murder, but is still a punishable crime. Police will not change tactics until individual officers are held accountable and the municipality is handing out big bucks.
Judge threw out the charges in this case mainly because of a lack of proof. His recklessly discharging a firearm charge ended in a mistrial. It's difficult to prove police misconduct without direct video evidence.
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:09 pm to artompkins
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It doesn't look like the duplexes around where I live and that's why I said it "looked" like a house but I could be wrong.
I thought the separate entrances and separate adresses would have been a dead giveaway .
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:11 pm to artompkins
Don't be an a-hole; these people have nothing, and are probably thankful for any roof over their heads. You act as if they can just go move on into a safer 'hood, with a nicer, more polished demographic. This is Detroit.
The police are also held to a higher standard -- they should be -- and they have a responsibility to act in the interests of public safety. If not, they serve no purpose.
The police are also held to a higher standard -- they should be -- and they have a responsibility to act in the interests of public safety. If not, they serve no purpose.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:23 pm to NYNolaguy1
You sir are a darn fool
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:53 pm to NYNolaguy1
While this is a horrible horrible tradegy, what do you folks suggest? Hey I got idea you be a police officer, with the holier then thou attitude yall got, I'm sure nothing will ever go wrong that would permanently devastate yalls lives like this little girls family and the cops forever.
Hey how about we just disband all police forces and bring in the military to protect us while we sleep. Don't like that? Hmmm let's just get rid of all security that we have, no police, no military no rent a cops with their flash lights. I'm sure that would work out super.
Hey how about we just disband all police forces and bring in the military to protect us while we sleep. Don't like that? Hmmm let's just get rid of all security that we have, no police, no military no rent a cops with their flash lights. I'm sure that would work out super.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:58 pm to vodkacop
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While this is a horrible horrible tradegy, what do you folks suggest? Hey I got idea you be a police officer, with the holier then thou attitude yall got, I'm sure nothing will ever go wrong that would permanently devastate yalls lives like this little girls family and the cops forever.
Hey how about we just disband all police forces and bring in the military to protect us while we sleep. Don't like that? Hmmm let's just get rid of all security that we have, no police, no military no rent a cops with their flash lights. I'm sure that would work out super.
Yeah, there's no such thing as a responsible police force, huh? It's either killing kids and dogs or disbanded??
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:58 pm to vodkacop
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what do you folks suggest?
How about doing due diligence, and not throwing flash grenades through windows and storming homes in which small kids reside, armed with machine guns.
What purpose does any of this serve?
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:03 pm to vodkacop
How about a little accountability? How about rather than defending bad cops you police yourselves a little?
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:10 pm to mouton
quote:You can't expect an entity like the police to police themselves honestly.
How about a little accountability? How about rather than defending bad cops you police yourselves a little?
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:23 pm to LT
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The cops are trying to get a cat they're fairly certain killed a guy off the street. This is a noble endeavor. However a ton of shite went terribly wrong.
On this everybody will agree or at least I hope so
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Whoever planned the raid didn't realize they bad guy was in the upstairs apartment, not the one being raided
Should be looking for a job and possibly an attorney .
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They cop that shot the little girl went through the door, then another officer threw in a flash bang grenade (is grenade appropriate, I think that's what they are called) disorienting him.
Yahoo cowboys
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The grandma may, or may not have swatted the guys rifle. He says yes, she says no. They both have reason to lie
Really no bearing here, if you burst into a room shouting and throwing flashbangs at a sleeping person YOU are responsible for the initial waking reaction not them. I am sure she freaked out and it should be EXPECTED.
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Let's not forget the reason the wolves were at their doorstep, Mr. Owens brought them there by killing a teenager
Yet Mr. Owens is alive and a young child is dead hmmm.
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There are all of these events that took place, ending with a little girl shot and killed. Only one person is being held responsible for this, the cop who held the gun. I ask is that fair?
Agreed the rest of the participants in this shite show should be on trial as well, his buddies are using him as a scapegoat.
If what the story claimed is true about the other resident and the info he provided as per who was inside the home these nitwits should be in jail for a long time and enjoy whatever treats general population brings them. And that goes for every one of them there.
To claim it was an accident because it was unintentional is kinda like a drunk running over someone and using the accident defense, its bullshite.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:33 pm to NYNolaguy1
I'd imagine that someone will have to do a lot of explaining on why the officer's finger was in the trigger well so that, if true, being struck by Grandma could result in a accidental/negligent discharge. He said it wasn't but otherwise the shooting wouldn't have occurred.
Also why would someone be tossing flashbangs with officers already in the house?
As some posters have alluded, you can't claim to be professionals and conduct yourselves like amateurs.
Side note: As of 2006, Michigan law defines anyone who has an outstanding arrest warrant as a "fugitive". Escape from custody is no longer a requirement.
Also why would someone be tossing flashbangs with officers already in the house?
As some posters have alluded, you can't claim to be professionals and conduct yourselves like amateurs.
Side note: As of 2006, Michigan law defines anyone who has an outstanding arrest warrant as a "fugitive". Escape from custody is no longer a requirement.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:37 pm to Sal Minella
SWAT team was inexcusably negligent (at best). Even if you're sending the storm troopers after a murderer, they still need to know what their target is. And Gun Safety 101 says you never point the gun at anything you're not willing to destroy.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:37 pm to Sal Minella
They were filming a reality show. Of course they would attempt to go all cowboy for the camera.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:52 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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you never point the gun at anything you're not willing to destroy
Agreed. And lack of trigger well discipline amplifies this, in the event, your muzzle is deflected where you don't want it to be.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 3:00 pm to Scruffy
quote:It's one thing to show a homicide squad investigate a murder, e.g First 48 but bringing TV crews to what should be well thought out yet complex operation where you fill that SWAT is necessary creates an unneeded distraction to the process.
They were filming a reality show
Posted on 10/19/14 at 3:37 pm to Sal Minella
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It's one thing to show a homicide squad investigate a murder, e.g First 48 but bringing TV crews to what should be well thought out yet complex operation where you fill that SWAT is necessary creates an unneeded distraction to the process.
In 2011, Steven Seagal -- star of action blockbusters Under Siege and Urban Justice -- drove a tank onto the Arizona property of a suspected Maricopa County cock-fighter while filming his reality TV show; Steven Seagal: Lawman.
Seagal, pictured at the raid below, has a particular disdain for animal cruelty; yet, his cohorts executed a puppy hound on his raid.
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:56 am to The Third Leg
All charges dropped against the officer in question... 
Anyone want to bet he goes back on the force? LINK
Anyone want to bet he goes back on the force? LINK
Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:59 am to The Third Leg
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Don't be an a-hole; these people have nothing, and are probably thankful for any roof over their heads. You act as if they can just go move on into a safer 'hood, with a nicer, more polished demographic. This is Detroit.
when states like Arizona, Georgia, and Alabama instituted harsher anti-immigration laws, a much poorer class of people were able to move on
so don't make that argument
Posted on 2/1/15 at 10:16 am to LT
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It was an accidental discharge, correct?
No such thing.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 10:40 am to NYNolaguy1
I don't believe the family heinously harbored a murderer, even if they may have known what he did. He is a family member, and none of us know the history of that relationship. I also don't believe the officer heinously killed that little girl while intentionally abusing his position as an officer. What happened in that house, everyone's intention, and who specifically is at fault are all difficult to decipher after the fact. What is vital in all of this is the intent of each individual involved. What I believe is the root of the problem was eluded to by fr33 when he questions the tactical decision of how and when to conduct the operation. The person who made the decision, gave the order, and issued the instructions should be held responsible for the outcome. I don't think many understand how this officer may feel. He was carrying out an order given to him by someone who is remaining anonymous as far as I can tell. This is where the problem lies, in my opinion. the procedures and tactics placed all of these people in the situation to act the way they did. The tragedy is the family loses their little girl, the officer gets crucified and has to live with this the rest of his life, the community's hatred for the police intensifies, and the one who gave the orders continues to lead and direct with no consequence.
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