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A very telling statistic in regards to play-calling from Saturday's game...
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:21 pm
LSU punted on four of their first five possessions in each half, and five of those eight possessions ended as three-and-outs.
What was so frustrating about LSU’s offensive approach, aside from the lack of balance as a whole, was the humorously predictable offensive play-calling observed in the first half.
The Tigers ran on 13 out of 16 first down plays during the first half and never passed on consecutive first downs. Once the Tigers found themselves in a hole during the third quarter, the play-calling shifted drastically.
LSU dialed up 11 passes on their 16 first down plays during the second half, inferably out of desperation.
Meanwhile, Mississippi State threw the ball on 7 of their 15 first half first down plays and possessed much greater balance throughout the game. By the end of the third quarter, the Bulldogs were throwing on first down for 13 out of 28 plays, a stark contrast to LSU’s 15 out of 20 run plays.
What was so frustrating about LSU’s offensive approach, aside from the lack of balance as a whole, was the humorously predictable offensive play-calling observed in the first half.
The Tigers ran on 13 out of 16 first down plays during the first half and never passed on consecutive first downs. Once the Tigers found themselves in a hole during the third quarter, the play-calling shifted drastically.
LSU dialed up 11 passes on their 16 first down plays during the second half, inferably out of desperation.
Meanwhile, Mississippi State threw the ball on 7 of their 15 first half first down plays and possessed much greater balance throughout the game. By the end of the third quarter, the Bulldogs were throwing on first down for 13 out of 28 plays, a stark contrast to LSU’s 15 out of 20 run plays.
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:24 pm to saint amant steve
I understand that I am not a coach, and don't know our personnel as well as they do... But DAMN it just seems like common sense to throw the ball more on first downs. A simple slant or drag would be an easy throw for either QB and would show that we're at least pretending to have a passing game. It seemed like we went hours between Jennings' passes between the hash marks
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:24 pm to saint amant steve
The only time we passed on first down it was a straight go route with Dural being the only receiver
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:24 pm to saint amant steve
Solid info.
Playcalling was very bad. Even more frustrating because MSUs secondary is so terrible and everyone knew their front seven is top notch. Very stubborn.
Confident it will improve going forward.
Thanks for posting
Playcalling was very bad. Even more frustrating because MSUs secondary is so terrible and everyone knew their front seven is top notch. Very stubborn.
Confident it will improve going forward.
Thanks for posting
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:25 pm to saint amant steve
Dont expect it to get any better
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:25 pm to saint amant steve
Miles just has no answer for when a team stacks the box every play. He wants to run despite 8 in the box, but we don't have the O-line to do that, no one does. You have to make the defense pay for stacking the box, instead we insist on running more.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:27 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Confident it will improve going forward.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:29 pm to J Murdah
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Dont expect it to get any better
I won't. My expectations are very low.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:30 pm to saint amant steve
Jennings couldn't run a different offense if we really wanted to do it. The gameplay was developed due to our current opinion of our QB talent and experience. This is the same thing we saw with the average-below average QBs we had in Jefferson and Lee.
The play calling wasn't really a problem when we had Russell, Flynn, and Mett.
The play calling wasn't really a problem when we had Russell, Flynn, and Mett.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:31 pm to Colonel Flagg
You may have a point here. We only run this crap when we have inferior players at the QB position. I don't think its strictly a coaching philosophy problem because when we have a capable QB, our offense has been more than adequate. Hopefully Harris (or Jennings) proves their reliability to Les and Cam soon, so we can get this ship rolling
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:32 pm to heartbreakTiger
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heartbreakTiger
I'm sure you lol'd after the UT game in 05, the Auburn game in 06, the UT game in 2010, the UF game in 2012 etc.
Keep holding out man. Maybe after the next decade of 100 wins and multiple SEC titles you'll finally get to say you told us so for good!!!
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:36 pm to Colonel Flagg
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You may have a point here. We only run this crap when we have inferior players at the QB position. I don't think its strictly a coaching philosophy problem because when we have a capable QB, our offense has been more than adequate. Hopefully Harris (or Jennings) proves their reliability to Les and Cam soon, so we can get this ship rolling
Jennings hasn't thrown a bunch of picks or looked atrocious. We could have and should have thrown the ball more. Jennings did not have a good game on Saturday, but his strength has been the long ball (conincidentally, MSU's weakness). It was Miles playing Miles ball and it didn't surprise me to be honest.
It was even a problem when we had Mett. I remember everyone talking about how the coaches finally opened things up against Bama in 2012 (even though we lost) and how we had to wait all season for that to happen. It's a coaching philosophy.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:37 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
Part of the problem with the offense is that the line was getting pushed back 2 yards instead of getting a 2 yard forward push.
Usually, the backs can get 2 yards after contact for a net gain of 4 yards.
However, when state forced a stalemate at the line of scrimmage or won yardage, the rusher was only able to get a minor gain.
MsState did to LSU what LSU used to do to other teams. Win the battle at the line of scrimmage.
Since LSU's entire offensive philosophy is centered on that, we were set up for failure from the very beginning.
Not to mention, State's defensive weakness is pass defense, but LSU decided that we weren't going to exploit that until 2:00 left in the 4th quarter.
Usually, the backs can get 2 yards after contact for a net gain of 4 yards.
However, when state forced a stalemate at the line of scrimmage or won yardage, the rusher was only able to get a minor gain.
MsState did to LSU what LSU used to do to other teams. Win the battle at the line of scrimmage.
Since LSU's entire offensive philosophy is centered on that, we were set up for failure from the very beginning.
Not to mention, State's defensive weakness is pass defense, but LSU decided that we weren't going to exploit that until 2:00 left in the 4th quarter.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:41 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
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ILeaveAtHalftime
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:47 pm to Chimlim
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Miles just has no answer for when a team stacks the box every play. He wants to run despite 8 in the box, but we don't have the O-line to do that, no one does. You have to make the defense pay for stacking the box, instead we insist on running more.
Every time this happens, I have small flashbacks to the 3rd and 1 Lee to Beckham in the 2011 WVU game.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:53 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Jennings couldn't run a different offense if we really wanted to do it. The gameplay was developed due to our current opinion of our QB talent and experience. This is the same thing we saw with the average-below average QBs we had in Jefferson and Lee.
Then this is the head coach's fault for not having better in-house options, not recruiting the position better and not coaching the position better. This head coach's evaluation of quarterbacks in the recruiting process has been spotty (and that's being kind) in 10 seasons at LSU. Meanwhile, Alabama, Texas A&M and Georgia have broken in first-time starters just fine this season.
The quarterback is the most important position on the team, and LSU has routinely flubbed it under this head coach.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:54 pm to saint amant steve
Nice post, if Tiger Rant had more people discussing statistical facts and figures like you did, maybe this board would be helpful. But most post are just about trying to defame each other.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 1:55 pm to Chimlim
quote:Fact is, you're right. Nobody has the OL to do that. HOWEVER, the real problem with this stubborn arse approach is that we used to have the DEFENSE to stop the other team and give us the ball back, and we'd do it again, and that cycle would continue until we finally wore the other team's defense out.
He wants to run despite 8 in the box, but we don't have the O-line to do that, no one does
We have neither the OL nor the defense to do that. Sad part is, our entire defense looked bad Sat night, but reality is a couple of key positions would make this defense very good to elite. DT and MLB.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 2:03 pm to Mahootney
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Usually, the backs can get 2 yards after contact for a net gain of 4 yards.
However, when state forced a stalemate at the line of scrimmage or won yardage, the rusher was only able to get a minor gain.
We should have known this was a possibility when we only averaged 4.2 ypc against UL Monroe.
We went long on the first play against Sam Houston and scored a TD. We ran Hilliard twice for no gain against UL Monroe and Jennings took off on 3rd down for a 3 and out. We ran Hilliard twice for five yards and Jennings ran on 3rd for a 3 and out to start off against State.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 2:04 pm to Mahootney
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Not to mention, State's defensive weakness is pass defense, but LSU decided that we weren't going to exploit that until 2:00 left in the 4th quarter.
A lot of people on here got pissed when several media outlets picked Moo State to win. The reason many of them gave was that LSU simply would not take advantage of MSU's weak secondary. One guy even went so far as to say that even if we could do it, that Miles wouldn't because it doesn't fit into his offensive scheme.
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