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Questions about layering
Posted on 12/17/13 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 5:02 pm
Heading to Grand Rapids, MI for work in January for a month. I've never been in that kind of cold with the wind chill. What brands are the warmest for layering, and how many layers to wear? Want to be as prepared as possible.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 5:06 pm to eng08
under armour clod gear
merino wool sock liners
microfleece upper and lower sweats
heavy thinsulate, or merino wool, or alpaca wool socks
another layer of heavy fleece for upper body
then outer shell with goretex and thinsulate.
if you plan to get anything wet wool retains 100% of its insulation properties even when wet.
merino wool sock liners
microfleece upper and lower sweats
heavy thinsulate, or merino wool, or alpaca wool socks
another layer of heavy fleece for upper body
then outer shell with goretex and thinsulate.
if you plan to get anything wet wool retains 100% of its insulation properties even when wet.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 5:12 pm to Bleeding purple
Thank y'all. Looks like I'll be buying a new wardrobe the plant is right on the lake and I'm sure that wind chill will be killer. It's going to be a culture shock, that's for damn sure!
Posted on 12/17/13 at 5:28 pm to DuckManiak
This may seem kind of dumb but the main thing you want to avoid is getting too hot. Good thing about layers is you are ready for anything. If you are working and generating heat you can peel a layer off. I would stick with thin layers.
I elk hunt in NW Colorado. Normally around 20 to 25F in the morning and gets up to 55-60F in the daytime. I usually wear silk top/bottom, long sleeve thin poly cotton blend pullover shirt, short sleeve poly cotton blend pullover tshirt, then either zip up fleece top or a heavy duty extreme cold weather jacket. Do yourself a favor and do not wear anything with a turtle neck if you are going to be very active. Instead get a pullover muffler to go around your neck so that you can take it off and on.
What you want to avoid is getting too warm. If you are working and you get too warm you are going to sweat. When you sweat you are going to get wet. Once that happens you will not have enough clothes with you to get warm again. Getting wet is the problem you have to avoid. Start peeling off layers as soon as you even start to feel like you are getting warm.
On the ride out on a 4 wheeler in the morning I got everything on. Once I park and start walking layers come off. If you go with fleece the quality varies a lot. I like a zipper on the fleece because it is usually one of the warmer layers and being able to unzip it and let heat out or cold air in effectively acts as a pretty flexible layer. You can always take it off if unzipping isn't enough. Better quality fleece will do a good job of blocking a cold wind and keep you warmer if the wind is really blowing.
Personally don't think brand matters that much. Under Armor is fine but so are a lot of brands.
I elk hunt in NW Colorado. Normally around 20 to 25F in the morning and gets up to 55-60F in the daytime. I usually wear silk top/bottom, long sleeve thin poly cotton blend pullover shirt, short sleeve poly cotton blend pullover tshirt, then either zip up fleece top or a heavy duty extreme cold weather jacket. Do yourself a favor and do not wear anything with a turtle neck if you are going to be very active. Instead get a pullover muffler to go around your neck so that you can take it off and on.
What you want to avoid is getting too warm. If you are working and you get too warm you are going to sweat. When you sweat you are going to get wet. Once that happens you will not have enough clothes with you to get warm again. Getting wet is the problem you have to avoid. Start peeling off layers as soon as you even start to feel like you are getting warm.
On the ride out on a 4 wheeler in the morning I got everything on. Once I park and start walking layers come off. If you go with fleece the quality varies a lot. I like a zipper on the fleece because it is usually one of the warmer layers and being able to unzip it and let heat out or cold air in effectively acts as a pretty flexible layer. You can always take it off if unzipping isn't enough. Better quality fleece will do a good job of blocking a cold wind and keep you warmer if the wind is really blowing.
Personally don't think brand matters that much. Under Armor is fine but so are a lot of brands.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 5:31 pm to DuckManiak
Merino Wool. Warmest, Odor-less, Breathable, Great stuff.
I have several Minus 33 brand wool items. Also love my patagonia merino wool 3/4 zip top
I have several Minus 33 brand wool items. Also love my patagonia merino wool 3/4 zip top
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 6:49 pm to Tridentds
quote:
This may seem kind of dumb but the main thing you want to avoid is getting too hot. Good thing about layers is you are ready for anything. If you are working and generating heat you can peel a layer off. I would stick with thin layers.
This
Posted on 12/17/13 at 6:59 pm to CoastieGM
I've only wore them for two hunts but I just bought both tops and bottoms in the Columbia Omni Heat and I'm impressed so far. Amazon has them for 1/2 price compared to bass pro
Posted on 12/17/13 at 7:04 pm to DuckManiak
Here you go, in order of getting dressed:
UA Cold Gear Mock
Wool Henley
Fleece Shirt
Fleece Mock TNeck
Then wear a fleece vest.
Then add a shell coat.
This is generally what I wear when its <29 when I hunt. The numerous thin layers allow for flexibility and ease of movement. I broke ice to put out decoys Sunday and never felt cold.
Have fun on your trip!
UA Cold Gear Mock
Wool Henley
Fleece Shirt
Fleece Mock TNeck
Then wear a fleece vest.
Then add a shell coat.
This is generally what I wear when its <29 when I hunt. The numerous thin layers allow for flexibility and ease of movement. I broke ice to put out decoys Sunday and never felt cold.
Have fun on your trip!
Posted on 12/17/13 at 7:10 pm to Fred Farkle
If you are doing manual labor go as lite as you can. Working in the cold is very exhausting and the added weight doesn't help.
The cold weather gear at an Army surplus store is pretty good to use. Our soldiers have to be able to stay warm and function in battle.
The cold weather gear at an Army surplus store is pretty good to use. Our soldiers have to be able to stay warm and function in battle.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 7:18 pm to DuckManiak
Sitka hunting gear is awesome if you don't mind camo
Posted on 12/17/13 at 7:21 pm to DuckManiak
I had some culture shock moving from Alabama to Pennsylvania last year, some good advice given already as far as specific layers. I highly recommend a coat with down insulation. It's a bit crazy how warm those are.
Some of my specific combos are:
Under Armour Under Layer 3.0, top and bottom
Lower Body
Wool mountaineering socks, I like these because they go up really high almost to the knee.
Insulated boots
Heavy Carhartt canvas pants.
Waterproof pants over the carhartts for wind resistance and water resistance
Rubber boots for the snow.
Upper Body
Flannel shirts
Sweaters
Vest (I have a north face that does pretty good at warmth and wind resistance)
Feather Down insulated coat (this will be your best friend)
Gore Tex rain coat
Head
Knit hat/Toboggan
Scarf
Balaclava (covers face, ears, neck)
Heavy pair of insulated gloves
You need to keep exposed skin down to a minimum. So, cover everything. Like previously stated sweating=death. So, take some layers off while moving or working and put them on when you stop or slow down. Also, remember your outer layers have to fit on top of everything else, so you will probably have to buy them a size bigger than normal.
PS: frick the cold.
Some of my specific combos are:
Under Armour Under Layer 3.0, top and bottom
Lower Body
Wool mountaineering socks, I like these because they go up really high almost to the knee.
Insulated boots
Heavy Carhartt canvas pants.
Waterproof pants over the carhartts for wind resistance and water resistance
Rubber boots for the snow.
Upper Body
Flannel shirts
Sweaters
Vest (I have a north face that does pretty good at warmth and wind resistance)
Feather Down insulated coat (this will be your best friend)
Gore Tex rain coat
Head
Knit hat/Toboggan
Scarf
Balaclava (covers face, ears, neck)
Heavy pair of insulated gloves
You need to keep exposed skin down to a minimum. So, cover everything. Like previously stated sweating=death. So, take some layers off while moving or working and put them on when you stop or slow down. Also, remember your outer layers have to fit on top of everything else, so you will probably have to buy them a size bigger than normal.
PS: frick the cold.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:20 pm to yellowfin
quote:
Sitka hunting gear is awesome
my pair of sitka base layer bottoms is the most durable piece of clothing i've ever owned
that's the bad thing about wool
it tends to fall apart, those sitka layers are some other material
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:34 pm to DuckManiak
Carhart Arctics. Get some.
Wear them over regular clothing worn over silk/wool under layers.
Sorel or Lacrosse PAC boots.
Wear them over regular clothing worn over silk/wool under layers.
Sorel or Lacrosse PAC boots.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 9:42 pm to ZacAttack
quote:
I highly recommend a coat with down insulation. It's a bit crazy how warm those are.
You are right about that. If wind isn't an issue, a down jacket can feel like a heater no matter how cold it is. When we get serious cold I always go to my Patagonia down jacket that I've had for years.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 2:09 am to DuckManiak
Wool or synthetic base layer. Synthetic base layer will usually start to smell pretty bad after 1/2 to 1 day though. Wool is way better in this category.
Thin fleece for the next layer.
Mid-weight synthetic down jacket for a third layer or as outerwear.
Uninsulated shell jacket to block wind and/or rain.
For example the following setup is what I wear on my upper body and it keeps me comfortable at high elevations(single digit temps with high winds):
Baselayer- Smartwool Midweight Zip or Patagonia Capilene 2 Crew
2nd Layer- Patagonia R1 Fleece Hoody or Patagonia NanoPuff
3rd Layer- Arcteryx Atom LT (hooded)
Shell- Arcteryx GoreTex Pro
Setup for the lower half of my body is almost identical materials except no 3rd layer/synthetic insulated pants.
You can find many other brands besides the ones I listed that carry similar products with similar materials.
Thin fleece for the next layer.
Mid-weight synthetic down jacket for a third layer or as outerwear.
Uninsulated shell jacket to block wind and/or rain.
For example the following setup is what I wear on my upper body and it keeps me comfortable at high elevations(single digit temps with high winds):
Baselayer- Smartwool Midweight Zip or Patagonia Capilene 2 Crew
2nd Layer- Patagonia R1 Fleece Hoody or Patagonia NanoPuff
3rd Layer- Arcteryx Atom LT (hooded)
Shell- Arcteryx GoreTex Pro
Setup for the lower half of my body is almost identical materials except no 3rd layer/synthetic insulated pants.
You can find many other brands besides the ones I listed that carry similar products with similar materials.
Posted on 12/18/13 at 7:11 am to MotorBoater
quote:
I just bought both tops and bottoms in the Columbia Omni Heat and I'm impressed so far.
I have the 1/4 zip top and I really like it. very warm since it reflects body heat, but thin and not as bulky as some of the other base layers
Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:52 am to DuckManiak
Sorry to bump an old thread, but I've been in Michigan for 5 days now. The coldest it has gotten so far is -30. I just want to thank everyone for their input. Although I've never been in this type of cold, I have to say that I get hot at times with everything covered and that's with minimal walking. I knew the OB was the place to come. Thanks fellas
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:03 am to DuckManiak
Well, what kind if layers did you go with?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:16 am to sloopy
Went to academy and got their cold weather long johns and synthetic tops. Bought a Columbia micro fleece 1/4 fleece. bought their waterproof bibs and a polar edge waterproof down jacket. Got the merino wool socks with muck rubber boots. Got a seirus 3 in 1 micro fleece beanie with the neck guard and face mask. With seirus waterproof gloves lined with micro fleece.
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