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questions about smoking a turkey
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:15 am
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:15 am
Firstly, I well versed in using my barrel style/side box smoker for ribs,brisket and butts. Very easy for me to regulate temp for long periods. I tend to not use side box and just push charcoal to one side of barrel of place meat on other side. That leaves enough area for a whole brisket, large but or 4 racks of ribs, so plenty of room for Turkey. I have done allot of research, amazing rib site etc...I though i wouyld just reach out to my FDB brethren. My questions are:
- Does brining really make a difference?
- I am thinking hickory and apple wood blend. in a 50/50 ratio. to much hickory?
- Place turkey directly on grate or in a roasting pan?
- Breast side up or down? Start down then turn up after an hour or so? Should I just rotate 180 degrees every hour or so?
- best method for turning/handling bird deep into smoking time without destroying the bird?
TIA
- Does brining really make a difference?
- I am thinking hickory and apple wood blend. in a 50/50 ratio. to much hickory?
- Place turkey directly on grate or in a roasting pan?
- Breast side up or down? Start down then turn up after an hour or so? Should I just rotate 180 degrees every hour or so?
- best method for turning/handling bird deep into smoking time without destroying the bird?
TIA
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:26 am to cuyahoga tiger
I use a water smoker and with that method, brining is unnecessary. You'll get good tips if you choose to brine. I use pecan and good charcoal. I'd use more apple than hickory, if those were my choices.
I'd cook on the grate. As for turning, maybe you'll just want to do one 180 degree rotation halfway through the process. Good luck.
I'd cook on the grate. As for turning, maybe you'll just want to do one 180 degree rotation halfway through the process. Good luck.
This post was edited on 11/20/13 at 7:31 am
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:28 am to cuyahoga tiger
Brining helps a lot with a big bird, directly on the grates, breasts up, and I would rotate 180 about halfway if you are using a side box smoker.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 7:59 am to reb13
Quarter some onions oranges grapefruit and cut up few pieces celery...salt/pepper them and shove up the bird also...rub bird down in evoo and season outside and under skin
Posted on 11/20/13 at 8:15 am to cuyahoga tiger
Here is the brine I use
Slaughterhouse Poultry Brine By Tip Piper of Hillbilly Vittles
1 ½ Gal Water
½ C Salt (picklin er kosher)
½ C Dark Brown Sugar
2 tsp Garlic Powder
2 tsp Onion Powder
2 tsp Cajun Spice (Louisiana Cajun Seasoning)
2 tsp Celery Seed
I usually brine for 12-18 hours. I smoke my bird to 165, remove it and foil it till it cools.
Slaughterhouse Poultry Brine By Tip Piper of Hillbilly Vittles
1 ½ Gal Water
½ C Salt (picklin er kosher)
½ C Dark Brown Sugar
2 tsp Garlic Powder
2 tsp Onion Powder
2 tsp Cajun Spice (Louisiana Cajun Seasoning)
2 tsp Celery Seed
I usually brine for 12-18 hours. I smoke my bird to 165, remove it and foil it till it cools.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 8:40 am to lsufan1971
Good suggestions on the cavity fruit,vegetable insertion. Olive oil rub is a must. I assume I would not use my fried turkey spice rub and use only salt/ pepper or should I add some garlic onion, tony's etc?
14 pounder..should I assume 20 minutes per pound at 200-250 degrees?
14 pounder..should I assume 20 minutes per pound at 200-250 degrees?
Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:11 am to cuyahoga tiger
quote:
- I am thinking hickory and apple wood blend. in a 50/50 ratio. to much hickory?
In my opinion that is too heavy on the hickory.
I'm just throwing this out there and you can take it for what it's worth, but consider Pecan instead of hickory. In my opinion it goes much better with poultry and I think it is not as strong as hickory and a tad bit milder.
Also,
If you can get your hands on some apricot or orange I would consider those as your fruit wood. Apple is not a bad choice at all, but I've used those before but they are harder to find. Cherry is a great one as well and should be pretty easy to find.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:05 am to htownjeep
Salt/pepper or tonys
Roughly 30 minutes per lb
Internal temp of 165-170
Roughly 30 minutes per lb
Internal temp of 165-170
Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:19 am to cuyahoga tiger
1) I find that brining necessary. Make SURE to pat the bird dry after brining with paper towels and let air dry for another 30 minutes before seasoning and oiling. If you don't pat the bird dry it will be too salty.
Brining keeps the turkey from drying out during the smoking process. Basting the turkey only results in soggy skin. Overly seasoning the skin just makes inedible skin – let the brine and aromatics add flavor.
I use 1 quart water, 1 cup KOSHER salt, 1/2 cup of honey, 1/4 cup of worcestershire for my brine. Heat up half the water and stir in honey until it dissolves....let cool. Then add the rest of the water, salt and worcestershire sauce. Put all in a turkey oven cooking bag (reynolds) and put in fridge for 12 hours.
2) Your wood ratio should be more 70 (fruit) -30 (other). I use straight apple or cherry chunks.
3) Place directly on grate. Put aluminum foil over wings for the 1st hour. You can put roasting pan under the turkey. BUT, put it at the bottom of your pit under the grates. With 1" of water. This water will keep the grill moist but also catch the turkey drippings and can be used to make gravy afterwards
4) Breast side down so all the juices run down to the breast. Flip bird over for the last 3- 45 min to crisp skin.
5) Handle bird with your hands. Use gloves or a sheet of aluminum foil to handle the heat.
I also stuff the bird with a quartered onion, 3-4 garlic cloves, celery, 1 fresh sprig of thyme and rosemary, and orange rinds. (Make sure not to overstuff the bird) You need air flow...
GRAVY-As it smokes, take the turkey neck and gizzard (not the liver) and about 10 peppercorns and simmer them in a quart of water on low. When you take your bird off the pit pour all the liquid from the cavity into your drip pan. Take all the contents from the drip pan and drain into the sauce pan with the necks and gizzards. cook another 20 minutes then separate fat and take out necks, gizzards, peppercorns, etc. In a separate pan make a roux with 2 tablespoons of flour and 2 1/2 tablespoons of butter. Then, add that to the other pan and season to taste with salt and pepper and cook until thickened. (About 5-10 min)
DO NOT put aluminum foil on the turkey after. It will make the skin soggy.
Brining keeps the turkey from drying out during the smoking process. Basting the turkey only results in soggy skin. Overly seasoning the skin just makes inedible skin – let the brine and aromatics add flavor.
I use 1 quart water, 1 cup KOSHER salt, 1/2 cup of honey, 1/4 cup of worcestershire for my brine. Heat up half the water and stir in honey until it dissolves....let cool. Then add the rest of the water, salt and worcestershire sauce. Put all in a turkey oven cooking bag (reynolds) and put in fridge for 12 hours.
2) Your wood ratio should be more 70 (fruit) -30 (other). I use straight apple or cherry chunks.
3) Place directly on grate. Put aluminum foil over wings for the 1st hour. You can put roasting pan under the turkey. BUT, put it at the bottom of your pit under the grates. With 1" of water. This water will keep the grill moist but also catch the turkey drippings and can be used to make gravy afterwards
4) Breast side down so all the juices run down to the breast. Flip bird over for the last 3- 45 min to crisp skin.
5) Handle bird with your hands. Use gloves or a sheet of aluminum foil to handle the heat.
I also stuff the bird with a quartered onion, 3-4 garlic cloves, celery, 1 fresh sprig of thyme and rosemary, and orange rinds. (Make sure not to overstuff the bird) You need air flow...
GRAVY-As it smokes, take the turkey neck and gizzard (not the liver) and about 10 peppercorns and simmer them in a quart of water on low. When you take your bird off the pit pour all the liquid from the cavity into your drip pan. Take all the contents from the drip pan and drain into the sauce pan with the necks and gizzards. cook another 20 minutes then separate fat and take out necks, gizzards, peppercorns, etc. In a separate pan make a roux with 2 tablespoons of flour and 2 1/2 tablespoons of butter. Then, add that to the other pan and season to taste with salt and pepper and cook until thickened. (About 5-10 min)
DO NOT put aluminum foil on the turkey after. It will make the skin soggy.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:23 am to LSUtigahhz
You've got plenty of good advice from all the previous posters.
But they left out one of the most important facts: if, by some freak chance, the weather drops to the high 20's while you are trying to smoke, take the bird to the oven. The family was real impressed with my smoking skills that day.
But they left out one of the most important facts: if, by some freak chance, the weather drops to the high 20's while you are trying to smoke, take the bird to the oven. The family was real impressed with my smoking skills that day.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:24 am to cuyahoga tiger
Did one this passed weekend. Used all applewood. Brined for 4 days and came out a little salty. Breast side up on grate, no rotation.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 12:30 pm to cuyahoga tiger
Posted on 11/20/13 at 12:38 pm to Degas
Mine always come out too smokey.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 2:08 pm to Bill Parker?
quote:
the weather drops to the high 20's while you are trying to smoke, take the bird to the oven.
Yes, it will that cold here. I drape a thermal blanket over my smoker to combat those temps.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 2:11 pm to cuyahoga tiger
I did 2 last night
Only apple wood and I injected instead of brining
I was short on time
Only apple wood and I injected instead of brining
I was short on time
Posted on 11/20/13 at 3:55 pm to Croacka
do you guys still brine even if the turkey has been injected with a 8% solution pre freezing? read its not a good idea because you will be making a salt bomb
quote:
Nowadays most grocery store turkeys have a salt solution injected and say so on the label. Kosher birds have also been salted at the factory. If your bird has salt added, you're good to go. You don't need to add any more.
This post was edited on 11/20/13 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 11/20/13 at 6:39 pm to CE Tiger
quote:
do you guys still brine even if the turkey has been injected with a 8% solution pre freezing? read its not a good idea because you will be making a salt bomb
quote:
Nowadays most grocery store turkeys have a salt solution injected and say so on the label. Kosher birds have also been salted at the factory. If your bird has salt added, you're good to go. You don't need to add any more.
Just about every turkey I ever find in a regular grocery has been injected with brine - frozen or not (which they label "fresh"). So I don't think you need to or should brine these birds even though I have done it in the past.
Posted on 11/20/13 at 6:41 pm to tewino
....Also I would smoke at higher temp than say pork shoulder or brisket. I like about 325 so the skin is somewhat rendered and crisp. I hate rubber skin.
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