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Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:48 pm to Barf
They're a voice that's louder than my own when it comes to certain issues.
That being said, I pay for the STAR tournament because why not when you fish as often as I do? And I like to get drunk at the banquets and win free shite.
That being said, I pay for the STAR tournament because why not when you fish as often as I do? And I like to get drunk at the banquets and win free shite.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:49 pm to Barf
Not a perfect organization but it's the best political lobbying group that is pro recreational fisherman. They sent out an email to MS members that single handily killed a terrible law big money was trying to slip in quietly. They're fighting the snapper fight too.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:52 pm to stoms
You both make good points. Especially the STAR and banquet part. There is a certain amount of value that get from such things.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:54 pm to Barf
Do you have any friends? Honest to God question
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:55 pm to AlxTgr
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AlxTgr
When you're done posting cute little emoticons, make sure you got all your downvotes in. It doesn't have the same effect if you don't downvote.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:59 pm to Barf
Well, we got gamefish status for redfish, removed gill nets for trout, several artificial reefs and an annual tournament that is fun.
If you feel they aren't doing something that you find is important, why not find an organization that covers that area? Surely there is an organization that pushes open waters. Just bc they don't do what you want in that area doesn't mean they aren't an effective group. Are you even a member? If so, push from within the organization with time and money to make that issue a priority.
If you feel they aren't doing something that you find is important, why not find an organization that covers that area? Surely there is an organization that pushes open waters. Just bc they don't do what you want in that area doesn't mean they aren't an effective group. Are you even a member? If so, push from within the organization with time and money to make that issue a priority.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:01 pm to Barf
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It's certainly something to think about. I guess it would depend on how you defined coastal resources. The red snapper thing could go either way. Is a red snapper really a coastal resource? At what point do you leave the coast and enter offshore. I certainly understand why they would lobby for state control, but it seems like they cherry pick their issues.
What, specifically, would you have CCA do about private ownership of marsh?
You seem to be indicating there's something nefarious about paying a lobbyist, which is confusing considering the entire issue is tied up in LA property laws.
Yes CCA cherrypicks issues, and I'm glad they do. Would you rather they bang their head against the wall on issues they have no shot in hell of affecting? Your posts wreek of a shoot the messenger mentality. You said it yourself on the first page, your issue isn't with CCA, it's with state law. It's gonna take a hell of a lot more than just CCA to fix what is causing LA to lose coast, and in all likelihood CCA would be on your side if they felt like they had a snowball's chance in hell of getting it done, even though you've labelled them a front for big money good ole boys, which is ridiculous.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:10 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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What, specifically, would you have CCA do about private ownership of marsh?
You seem to be indicating there's something nefarious about paying a lobbyist, which is confusing considering the entire issue is tied up in LA property laws.
Yes CCA cherrypicks issues, and I'm glad they do. Would you rather they bang their head against the wall on issues they have no shot in hell of affecting? Your posts wreek of a shoot the messenger mentality. You said it yourself on the first page, your issue isn't with CCA, it's with state law. It's gonna take a hell of a lot more than just CCA to fix what is causing LA to lose coast, and in all likelihood CCA would be on your side if they felt like they had a snowball's chance in hell of getting it done, even though you've labelled them a front for big money good ole boys, which is ridiculous.
I agree with you on every point. At the same time, I believe they are in fact a big money good ole boys feel good organization. It's just my opinion. I happen to know a couple of guys who work for CCA and every time I see them I make sure to say frick CCA and shoot them the bird but that doesn't mean we aren't friends.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:13 pm to PapaPogey
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Do you have any friends? Honest to God question
Lots. That does not mean when I close my laptop I continue down the path of attacking issues with irrational stubbornness. I also think that lawyers from Alexandria should be gathered up and extinguished.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:25 pm to Barf
at the comments in this thread. To answer OP, yes I feel my $$ spent w CCA is worth it. I like to fish a lot and they are pretty much the only recognized voice. Do I agree with everything? No, but who does with any organization!
They do way more good that usually goes unadvertised, like helping with public kayak or boat launch areas. Sending volunteers to educate kids at 4-H and Boy Scout meetings, helping smaller local school fishing tournaments by donating a rod & reel or tackle bag here and there.
I agree with others that the private land issue isn't CCA's fight.
Also for the record....GCCA has morphed into CCA just incase you didn't know that. They figured they had more power nationally with 1 CCA instead of a GCCA (Gulf Coast) ACCA (Atlantic), etc...
Still same organization that has done some really good things for recreational fisherman.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:33 pm to Barf
quote:Made up ones I'm sure. You are a total piece of shite and dumb as a box of rocks.
Lots.
quote:You're so mad
I also think that lawyers from Alexandria should be gathered up and extinguished.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:35 pm to Barf
quote:You get plenty without my help.
make sure you got all your downvotes in. It doesn't have the same effect if you don't downvote.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:37 pm to Barf
I have belonged to the CCA, and the GCCA, for 30 years, and was on the State Board of the GCCA during the game fish fights. Without that organization, trout and redfish would have been decimated by the gillnetters. You can thank them for the resource that we have today. Secondly, it is not the CCA's duty to attempt to change what has been Louisiana law since it's admission to the Union in 1812, as I am sure that they have members who are adamant about both sides of that issue. Those gated areas are private property, no different than your deer lease/hunting land. Just because the public owns the fish, just as deer, rabbits, and other wildlife are public things, that does not give the public the right to go upon private property, without permission, to take that game. Accordingly, if you want that changed, then you had better address the legislature, not the CCA. Just my two cents.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:37 pm to TopWaterTiger
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TopWaterTiger
You did a really good job of explaining yourself but I have a question. Kayak launches, 4-H meetings, fishing tournaments, what does any of that have to do with conservation?
CCA balked on other issues specifically because they were not part of conservation. Their words, not mine.
I guess what I am getting at is outwardly it looks as if they spend most of their money on proselytizing and the occasional artificial reef. They call themselves the coastal conservation association but they actually do very little as far as the coat itself is concerned. One logical explanation is they can not spend donations to protect private property. I fail to see how that is an unreasonable statement.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:40 pm to byutgr
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I have belonged to the CCA, and the GCCA, for 30 years, and was on the State Board of the GCCA during the game fish fights. Without that organization, trout and redfish would have been decimated by the gillnetters.
25 years ago. Move on.
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Those gated areas are private property, no different than your deer lease/hunting land.
Except there isn't a tax payer funded $600 million budget to restore eroded property on my hunting land. It's not the same. It's never been the same. It will never be the same.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:43 pm to Barf
It is the exact same legal concept.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:54 pm to byutgr
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It is the exact same legal concept.
If this is true, then how does recreational fishing exist in Louisiana? It is impossible to not trespass in the marsh and that is not some exaggeration. It can not be done.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:59 pm to Barf
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25 years ago. Move on.
We are all enjoying the benefits of CCA's hard fought legislative victories, today. They also make sure the opposition does not roll back those protections every year.
Are they perfect? Certainly not. I've heard complaints that they generate money just to Pay salaries. Open waters is a property issue that cannot be simply resolved, and much of their financial
Support comes from property owners.
I am happy with what I have gotten for over 25 years of membership, plus they bought me lunch for several years while I was on the Cenla Committee.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:02 pm to Barf
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Except there isn't a tax payer funded $600 million budget to restore eroded property on my hunting land. It's not the same. It's never been the same. It will never be the same.
It's projects to protect the coast as a whole. If the projects aren't directed towards the coast as whole then the projects will accomplish nothing. By the way, the Louisiana state government has the $600 million, not the CCA. Be pissed at them if you have a quarrel with the coastal erosion project. The CCA is focused on the coast as a whole, not as it pertains to someone being irritated about not being able to go onto private lands.
The levee system is a gigantic reason for erosion and loss of wetlands yet there aren't any landowners getting any funds to accommodate the loss of land from the impact of the levees over the years. Using the master plan to restore the coast as a whole is about as good as it gets in moving forward to help the coast for years to come. That is why the CCA is helping push the master plan and not cherry picking who to help with the master plan.
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