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re: Question for active CCA members
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:22 pm to Barf
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:22 pm to Barf
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They have taken a hard line stance on the subject because it is not a "conservation issue." Their yeti fund will dry up if they alienate their big land owning members.
You make a solid point you can't bite the hand that feeds you but that being said I feel like the $30 from thousands of $40K-$60K guys should matter for something I have questioned whether my small contribution is making the rich richer or if it's actually doing any good for the regular saltwater fisherman.
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Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:23 pm to DownSouthDave
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Every time I throw a snapper back, I thank the CCA for their stellar work.
If it wouldn't be for CCA there would be zero push back on what the fed has done to the fishery. You can thank those buttholes who have their own TV show in Texas for what's happening to the red snapper.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:23 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I would assume bowfishing is still subject to recreational limits and a drop in the bucket compared to gill nets and purse seines
It is, but it is in direct violation of the game fish protection. Why give Redfish game fish status but not give them the same protection as every other game fish species?
For the record, I don't really give a shite but I just find it interesting that CCA opted to withdraw from the fight.
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Like I said, I support CCA because they're the closest thing to an organized lobby recreational fishermen have. They're like a good left tackle, the less you hear about them the better job they're probably doing.
How is this not straw man? They only people they lobby for are the people with the money. They are after the red snapper thing because of money. CCA claims that public access is not a conservation issue, but somehow manages to justify spending mind boggling amounts of money fighing for recreational red snapper fishing reform in the name of "coastal conservation."
It makes zero sense.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:34 pm to Barf
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For the record, I don't really give a shite but I just find it interesting that CCA opted to withdraw from the fight.
I read awhile back that CCA was opposed to bowfishing but got a lot of blowback from regular joe members who enjoyed it and claimed the "yeti club" was who wanted it banned. Opposite of what you think is going on with access. CCA can't please everyone all the time.
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They only people they lobby for are the people with the money.
I think you're making a pretty big assumption there, as I pointed out above they've also pissed off the "money" too. It's just part and parcel of having to represent such a diverse group of people who happen to share an interest. Everyone is gonna think they know how to do it best. I'm also not really following you on how CCA stands to profit all that much from increased red snapper access, maybe sell a few more STAR signups for a snapper division?
Either way you're entitled to feel however you want about them. I appreciate what they do and will keep my membership, but they aren't a government agency, so anyone who feels like they aren't doing what they've promised is free to not give them another cent.
Here's a thread on here from 2010 about how CCA doesn't care about the little man and wants to ban bowfishing
This post was edited on 10/5/16 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:42 pm to Barf
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They only people they lobby for are the people with the money.
Not trying to be an arse have an actual question but is there anyway of actually knowing this it's not like there is a public list of lobbyist and whom they represent is there?
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:43 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
It's all about that guy's hardon for public access to private property.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:48 pm to AlxTgr
I'm reading that between the lines but I don't see why he or anyone else thinks that's CCA's battle to fight. That issue goes way beyond fishing.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:55 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Not only that, but if we neglect private property simply because it's private, we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:56 pm to Barf
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:04 pm to Motorboat
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:04 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I'm reading that between the lines but I don't see why he or anyone else thinks that's CCA's battle to fight. That issue goes way beyond fishing.
Read their mission statement.
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The purpose of CCA is to advise and educate the public on conservation of marine resources. The objective of CCA is to conserve, promote, and enhance the present and future availability of those coastal resources for the benefit and enjoyment of the general public.
If I were a simple dolt looking for a .org to donate to in an effort to help protect our eroding marsh, a marsh that many consider a coastal resource, I would look to CCA based on their mission statement. They advertise themselves as an organization who is in the buissiness of protecting the coast for future generation as well as the "enjoyment of the general public."
I fail to understand how anyone would give a dime to these people when they publicly contradict themselves.
Rich people, don't do shite for free. Big donors are not making contributions because they want the general public to enjoy the Louisiana Coast.
Coastal Conservation Association... Who's coast?
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:07 pm to Motorboat
Has anyone very noticed how things get stupid when the two cocksucking lawyers show up? Are you frickheads fresh out of ambulances to chase?
Someone slipped and broke their collar bone in my driveway the other day. Maybe you dorks can track him down and split the profit.
Someone slipped and broke their collar bone in my driveway the other day. Maybe you dorks can track him down and split the profit.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:09 pm to Barf
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future availability of these coastal resources for the benefit and enjoyment of the general public.
I feel like their statement does hold some truth, it just depends on your view of the above part of the mission statement.
I can see your point, they may not actually be for the availability of costal resources for the general public, at least not to the extent it's available in other states.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:12 pm to Barf
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Rich people, don't do shite for free. Big donors are not making contributions because they want the general public to enjoy the Louisiana Coast.
Coastal Conservation Association... Who's coast?
CCA spends $100K and works with LDWF to raise half a million dollars from Apache and Fieldwood to restore a important trout habitat previously destroyed by misguided federal regulations.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:12 pm to cdogwinn
I answered my own question through a google search and found CCA's lobbyist and it states he only makes $25,000-$49,000 a year I assumed they made waaaaaaay more than that.
CCA Lobbyist
CCA Lobbyist
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:14 pm to Dock Holiday
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I feel like their statement does hold some truth, it just depends on your view of the above part of the mission statement.
I can see your point, they may not actually be for the availability of costal resources for the general public, at least not to the extent it's available in other states
It's certainly something to think about. I guess it would depend on how you defined coastal resources. The red snapper thing could go either way. Is a red snapper really a coastal resource? At what point do you leave the coast and enter offshore. I certainly understand why they would lobby for state control, but it seems like they cherry pick their issues.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:17 pm to Barf
quote:You're such a fricking count. You can't support your childish positions with normal rhetoric, so you cuss and call people names. I mean, I love an ad hominem attack as much as the next guy, but you just really suck at it.
Has anyone very noticed how things get stupid when the two cocksucking lawyers show up? Are you frickheads fresh out of ambulances to chase?
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:24 pm to AlxTgr
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You're such a fricking count. You can't support your childish positions with normal rhetoric, so you cuss and call people names. I mean, I love an ad hominem attack as much as the next guy, but you just really suck at it.
blah blah blah blah eat a dick
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:29 pm to Barf
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Rich people, don't do shite for free. Big donors are not making contributions because they want the general public to enjoy the Louisiana Coast.
Poor mouthing doesn't help your cause, this is total bullshite.
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Coastal Conservation Association... Who's coast?
Everyone's coast whether it's private or public, join the lease if you want access to private marsh. They have the area in Lafourche you can join for like 450 bucks a year I believe that is even including the launch.
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I fail to understand how anyone would give a dime to these people when they publicly contradict themselves.
Nowhere do they state they are here to remove private land ownership rights to citizens.
There may be an association out there looking to do that and lobby to give public access to people's lands for you to donate to.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:32 pm to cdogwinn
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I answered my own question through a google search and found CCA's lobbyist and it states he only makes $25,000-$49,000 a year I assumed they made waaaaaaay more than that.
They make significantly more than that. If you do some digging that person represents a bunch of people all with the same listed pay range.
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