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Owning a boat vs charter

Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:50 pm
Posted by saz_1
Member since Aug 2005
321 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:50 pm
I've always been a charter guy. But with my kids starting to grow up (13,11,6), I'm feeling buying a boat more and more. I'm probably the type to go fishing about once a month, so I know a charter is still probably the way to go, but I'd love to just have the flexibility to take the wife and 3 kids whenever I want and however long I want. How far off am I on my estimates here on boat ownership costs. I'd probably store or rent a slip in hopedale/shell beach.
Buy Boat+gear: ~20-50k
Rent slip: $300/month
Annual maintenance: ~$2k/yr+
Gas+bait for a day: $150

In fact, just writing this out makes me think that owning a boat is really not worth it unless you fish every week.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64162 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

Buy Boat+gear: ~20-50k
Rent slip: $300/month
Annual maintenance: ~$2k/yr+
Gas+bait for a day: $150


Now multiply by 3.5 to get the real number.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:51 pm to
Also factor you’ll get (at least some) money back when (If) you sell the boat
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:54 pm to
just be upfront and selective with your captains. I've had too many experiences where captains think they are taking out morons and put out little effort into the day. try to keep fuel expenses minimal, hardly want to change rigs for different conditions etc.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64162 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:55 pm to
Also consider the non-monetary aggravation of dealing with all maintenance yourself. Got a weird wiring problem that's unexplainable? Prepare to spend two weeks on the internet trying to figure it out before finally hauling it out of the slip, then letting it sit at the repair shop for a month, watching everyone else post pictures of their fun boats on the internet.

My rule is if it's a small boat, like a jonboat, own it all day, I own two!

If it's a big boat, rent/charter/make friends until I retire and have nothing better to do except own a boat and live on the coast/lake where I would use it more than once a week.

Let the downvotes rain down upon me.
Posted by saz_1
Member since Aug 2005
321 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:05 pm to
Those are fair points. I've been chartering in shell beach for almost 20 years. I figured it was time for me to graduate, but I think I'm being talked out of it.
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 2:06 pm
Posted by bulltiger91
Member since Jul 2018
123 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:32 pm to
You're definitely not considering getting your principle (or close to it) back if you decide to sell it down the road. I've owned 3 boats over the past decade and have sold all above my original investment. Now you have to do your research and wait on the right rig to come available that gets you the most value for your money for that to work. You can't just go to a dealer, pay a premium, and get upside down.
Posted by Finchboyz
Choclate city
Member since May 2018
514 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:40 pm to
To me owning a boat is a hobby in itself. Charter's are great but going out on your own, finding the fish, going when you want etc is worth the price of admission.

For the most part owning a boat never makes financial sense. But i enjoy most aspects involved with it.
Posted by go_tigres
Member since Sep 2013
5163 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:47 pm to
I've own/owned several boats. We have 4 at the camp now. One mud boat, a jon boat, a pontoon, and a deep v. Every single one has something "wrong" with it. None are major issues to keep them from running, but nonetheless it's a pain in the arse. Boats in general are a pain in the arse unless you can run them often enough to keep everything fresh. I just sold a 17' cc because I got tired of dealing with the finicky two stroke. The guy that bought it lives on the river and runs it daily with zero issues. If you can run them regularly they tend to stay in better operating condition - IMO anyway.

I say all that, but nothing better than being on the water in your own boat with your own rules.
Posted by KemoSabe65
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Member since Mar 2018
5198 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:50 pm to
IF, It F***s, Floats or Flys it’s almost always cheaper to rent it.
My guys Friday sold their boats because they were always down when they wanted to use them. Find a good guide and buy x # of trips from him upfront and become his annual annuity. He will treat you like the golden goose which in turn will make everyone happy.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64162 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 3:16 pm to
I have a pontoon rented next weekend for 24 hrs for $650.

Sounds like a rip-off but if I go 4 times a year, it's cheaper than owning.
Posted by Jimbo1975
Chackbay
Member since May 2020
150 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 3:18 pm to
I have three boats.and I want another one. The problem I have now is that i'm out of room at house for my boats. love to fish and I have two girls 16 and 14. They love to fish also. One good thing about owning your own. You can go when and where you want, and leave when you want. They do have maintenance but not as bad as you think, A lot of people talk sh-t about the expense of owning a boat. they probably don't even have one.
Posted by specchaser
lafayette
Member since Feb 2008
2592 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 3:28 pm to
I've been in that boat before(pun intended). I always come back to it being cost prohibitive when I can only really fish 15-20 times year to own a bay boat. Haven't owned a boat in 2-3 years and have zero regrets.

I go with a guide on average 6 times a year, make a few trips w/ friends in their boats, and go play in my kayak occasionally. Way cheaper and much less of a pain in the arse.

If you can fish once a week and have a place on the water, then owning a boat would be a must. Frick trailering a bay boat every time you fish.
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
12751 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

If it's a big boat, rent/charter/make friends until I retire and have nothing better to do except own a boat and live on the coast/lake where I would use it more than once a week.


Retirement on the bay and that's what I'm planning on doing. Get a nice affordable house with a small pool, get an old Jeep, get a truck to haul a boat to the ramp, and spend a few days a week fishing and take the kids and grandkids out all summer.
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
9786 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

But with my kids starting to grow up (13,11,6)


All boys? Sure get a boat.

Any girls? They won't want to be fishing with you in a year or two.

I made the mistake of getting a boat that could fit all 5 of us comfortably. 90% of the time it was me alone or with one kid. So I downsized. Something easy to fish the marsh that was pretty cheap second hand.
Posted by bigbuckdj
Member since Sep 2011
1835 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 4:18 pm to
It never makes sense to own a boat, just like it’s cheaper to go buy some fish out the case at rouses by the time you get home from a charter. You pick your hobbies and I enjoy boats and fishing so I spend more of my money on those things than most would think is reasonable.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18926 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

Find a good guide and buy x # of trips from him upfront and become his annual annuity.


Are you saying it is a good idea to SCHEDULE a series of trips for the year upfront?

Or are you saying it is a good idea to schedule and PAY in full for a series of trips up to a year out?
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 4:34 pm to
quote:

Gas+bait for a day: $150
- Low by half


quote:

Annual maintenance: ~$2k/yr+
- Probably high by $1500' depending on the boat though.

The slip rent is probably low also but again it all has to do with location.

If you enjoy the charter experience there is no comparison from a cost stand point....it take a lot of charters to pay for a boat alone.....but the timing is the thing....hard to go on a charter at a moments notice or go for a few hours when you have the opportunity....plus, the difference in satisfaction of doing it yourself is the draw for me...I will do charters but I generally stay away from them because I can catch just as many fish and do so on my own knowledge and experience...the only time I do any charters now is offshore because I do not have access to an area which would make sense for me to own an offshore boat but, if I was in a decent part of the world instead of the panhandle of British Columbia (Washington State) and there was anything offshore here worth catching other than Salmon and Halibut (to be fair there is some Tuna to be caught but billfish are unheard of) I would own an offshore boat....If I were less than 8 hours from the gulf or the gulf stream I would own an offshore boat and would not think about it for more time than it took to find the right one and get it ready for fishing. I don't care for chartering....
Posted by bearhc
Member since Sep 2009
4941 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 4:48 pm to
You could get a nice Bulls Bay 20 footer for about $35,000. Gas and bait should not cost $150 unless you have a large boat and you are making quite a run.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

I have three boats.and I want another one. The problem I have now is that i'm out of room at house for my boats. love to fish and I have two girls 16 and 14. They love to fish also. One good thing about owning your own. You can go when and where you want, and leave when you want. They do have maintenance but not as bad as you think, A lot of people talk sh-t about the expense of owning a boat. they probably don't even have one.


3 here also...there ain't no perfect boat....none of them get used as much as I would like but I like when I do use them. Being a "sport" or a client is just not for me...I will say up front that I have never been on a charter where I did not think I could catch as many fish as the expert with the boat...I have been on some where the expert definitely knew what they were doing and their local knowledge was a HUGE difference but I have also been on so many where I was supposed to be on one boat that suddenly changed to another at the last minute or a boat had mechanical issues or the mate was new or the captain was new that I just do not have many great charter moments to speak of...and I have been on a bunch.

I can't recount the times I have shown a mate how to rig a bait and started catching fish....I can't recall the number of times a captain failed to make bait and I have suggested areas where bait could be made, was made and fish caught. I taught a captain in Fort Lauderdale how to kite fish once and paid him $1200 a day for 3 ($3600) days for the for the privilege ...unless you are a regular, repeat customer most do not put in the time and effort required to catch fish consistently. Many aren't in the business full time and are only taking the charters they get handed down from the guy you thought you were going to be fishing with. That'd be fine if they told you up front but they wait until the morning before you get on the boat. Its happened to me numerous times. Just because they have access to a boat and have fished some does not mean they have a clue as to what they are doing...they will have glowing reviews on their website because the guy with the website knows what he is doing....but if you aren't booked out years in advance or been fishing with him for years you ain't going with him unless its an off peak time to go...

I am no expert by any stretch...volumes could be written about the stuff I do not know about offshore fishing....but with access to a sea worthy boat and some basic equipment I can catch fish offshore anywhere in the SE, the Caribbean, the Mid Atlantic and Mexico....I may not raise 20 sails a day in South Florida but I can usually manage 2 or 3, year around, and have had double digit days.....damn a charter...if it is your goal to reel in fish that someone else has actually caught they are great but if you want to actually catch the fish yourself you gotta have your own boat or at least have a friend with a boat....
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