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re: Owning a boat vs charter
Posted on 6/2/20 at 4:56 pm to saz_1
Posted on 6/2/20 at 4:56 pm to saz_1
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In fact, just writing this out makes me think that owning a boat is really not worth it unless you fish every week.
Most people don't go 52 times a year....If you can't go about 30 times you just ain't that into fishing. If I were in y'alls neck of the woods I would go at least 100 days a year....not counting the 30-45 days I would spend in a duck or goose blind....a man has to have priorities in life LOL...
Posted on 6/2/20 at 5:13 pm to jbgleason
Owning a boat vs charter is apples to oranges, you can't compare. Both have their place.
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This is what's not talked about with the pro-charter talk. The owning a boat allows complete freedom for when you go, when you come back, where you go, exploring, etc. I can't count how many times one day, or east side vs west side made all the difference in the world for fishing. I've also put all my marbles into going charter fishing on a particular weekend. Plan and look forward to it for weeks/months in advance... then get cancelled.
My last charter trip was during a polar vortex and high of 37 deg with winds 15-20 and rainy. Two days prior, it was mid 60's winds 5 and no rain. We couldnt change the date. The captain was as miserable as we were.
Like said earlier in this thread. You need to put a charter captain's kid through college, then you get that buddy-buddy priority scheduling, last second change of schedule ability, no deposit, refundable deposit, etc.
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You can go when and where you want, and leave when you want.
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Are you saying it is a good idea to SCHEDULE a series of trips for the year upfront?
This is what's not talked about with the pro-charter talk. The owning a boat allows complete freedom for when you go, when you come back, where you go, exploring, etc. I can't count how many times one day, or east side vs west side made all the difference in the world for fishing. I've also put all my marbles into going charter fishing on a particular weekend. Plan and look forward to it for weeks/months in advance... then get cancelled.
My last charter trip was during a polar vortex and high of 37 deg with winds 15-20 and rainy. Two days prior, it was mid 60's winds 5 and no rain. We couldnt change the date. The captain was as miserable as we were.
Like said earlier in this thread. You need to put a charter captain's kid through college, then you get that buddy-buddy priority scheduling, last second change of schedule ability, no deposit, refundable deposit, etc.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 5:35 pm to AutoYes_Clown
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This is what's not talked about with the pro-charter talk. The owning a boat allows complete freedom for when you go, when you come back, where you go, exploring, etc. I can't count how many times one day, or east side vs west side made all the difference in the world for fishing. I've also put all my marbles into going charter fishing on a particular weekend. Plan and look forward to it for weeks/months in advance... then get cancelled. My last charter trip was during a polar vortex and high of 37 deg with winds 15-20 and rainy. Two days prior, it was mid 60's winds 5 and no rain. We couldnt change the date. The captain was as miserable as we were. Like said earlier in this thread. You need to put a charter captain's kid through college, then you get that buddy-buddy priority scheduling, last second change of schedule ability, no deposit, refundable deposit, etc.
Its happened to me so many times I can't count. The idea that you can plan a trip this July for next July is at best wishful thinking. At worst it is impossible.
And having a relationship with a guide / charter boat captain that allows for booking a trip when times and tide coincide with acceptable conditions requires YEARS of nurturing....something most people can't accomplish. I just don't like the whole idea but for the casual angler who can only go 6 - 8 times a year it is the only option.
The ideal set up is to own the charter boat with the understanding that it is your boat when you want it but the captain has it, after expenses, the rest of the year...but that relationship also takes years to nurture. The next best situation, and one I was blessed with, was joint ownership....but again, that takes some serious stroking and willingness to work together to make it work...it usually goes south in a hurry with hurt feelings /egos all around. The ideal situation is an 8 hour drive from the gulf /gulf stream and a trailerable boat that can also be used for striper / hybrid or inshore fishing...one that you own, maintain and use when you want and have time....but it ain't cheap. Dry docking is also a viable alternative but it ain't cheap and you are stuck with conditions in the area whereas a trailer boat can be hauled another 100 miles and you are in the fish where the dry dock boat is stuck in unfavorable conditions. There ain't no good answer....
Posted on 6/2/20 at 7:10 pm to jbgleason
I’m saying that if you can find an honest guy that will tell you what he thinks his best days/months are and pay him upfront, you will catch and be very happy.
No different than buying a $1,000 worth of gift cards from a local eatery. Dine there every Friday night and after a month you will become a preferred customer known by first and last name. Food will be hot, waiter attentive and the owner will make sure you’re happy.
I’m not full time, I have had clients call last minute to fish and can mostly clear my schedule to accommodate them or find another I trust to take care of them.
Did a donated trip Saturday with zero expectations of compensation. Guy was very happy and plans to book pay trips now for his son to fish with me.
Us part timers work harder typically than the guys fishing everyday. Find a harder worker
No different than buying a $1,000 worth of gift cards from a local eatery. Dine there every Friday night and after a month you will become a preferred customer known by first and last name. Food will be hot, waiter attentive and the owner will make sure you’re happy.
I’m not full time, I have had clients call last minute to fish and can mostly clear my schedule to accommodate them or find another I trust to take care of them.
Did a donated trip Saturday with zero expectations of compensation. Guy was very happy and plans to book pay trips now for his son to fish with me.
Us part timers work harder typically than the guys fishing everyday. Find a harder worker
Posted on 6/4/20 at 11:41 am to saz_1
Is my boat worth the note I pay every month? Probably not, but having the freedom to hookup and go fishing or pulling the kids in the tube whenever I feel like it is freeing to me.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:24 pm to KemoSabe65
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No different than buying a $1,000 worth of gift cards from a local eatery. Dine there every Friday night and after a month you will become a preferred customer known by first and last name. Food will be hot, waiter attentive and the owner will make sure you’re happy.
I guess I just have expectations that are too high but I would expect to be treated as a "preferred" customer at a restaurant even if I was obviously from out of town and would probably never be back...if preferred customer is as described....I would also expect someone I was paying to fish with to make an effort. I'll be happy just being on a boat as long as it makes it back to the hill relatively dry...catching fish is always a crap shoot, that should be understood going in....but if I booked a table at a restaurant and when I showed up I was told the restaurant was full and my reservation had been passed onto another restaurant that was selected by the first restaurant I would be concerned. This has happened to me many times with charters....book one boat, months in advance, with one captain, only to be passed off to someone else who had an actual opening. I also would expect a restaurant to do what is expected of a restaurant...I expect the same on a charter...things like rigging a bait, changing baits, actually looking for fish....again, anyone can get skunked or have a trip when fish just won't co-operate....but knowing how to gaff a fish and drive a boat should be a given....I have been on charters where neither were the case.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:39 pm to saz_1
Remember, if it flies, floats, or fricks it’s cheaper to rent.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:19 pm to saz_1
well for what its worth, I have a good friend wanting to do the opposite. He wants to sell his boat and just hire charters. Doesn't use boat enough to justify slip, maintenance, etc.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:44 pm to TopWaterTiger
Will make good friend an excellent deal on customized sheep head trios
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:52 pm to bubba102105
Too own a boat it not just to go fishing, or riding in it. It's the peace a quiet of nature. Sometimes I love going by myself just to escape reality. My best moments are when i'm in the marsh at day break when the sun is first coming up. that my friend is peace. with owning my own boat. I can give my self that anytime i want. You can't do that with a charter.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:39 pm to Jimbo1975
I don't know what kind of boats yall have/had, but I've owned two welded aluminum boats with galvanized trailers. I've had a total of four different motors on those two boats. Its been four years, I believe, since I bought my first boat, and I've only had to spend money on having something fixed twice. Once because I bought a used motor and it needed some maintenance done to it to get it running perfect, and once because I fricked up some gears in the motor (that was completely my own fault).
Any money I've spent on the boats in the last four years other than those two instances is because I wanted to. I WANTED a new trolling motor. I WANTED a bigger motor. I WANTED to redo the floors. Etc.
From what I've seen online, if you get you a welded aluminum hull on a galvanized trailer, they will hold their values quite well. If you take care of your shite, the motors can hold their value pretty well, too.
Sold my first boat for $600 more than I bought it for. Sold my third motor for $300 more than I bought it for. You just have to be patient when buying and selling.
The key is taking pride in your possessions. Some might say I go overboard in how I take care of my shite. I do not leave my shite out in the weather. I clean it every time I get home from fishing. If I dont have time to hit the water in a few weeks, I run the motor on muffs for a little while. I use fuel treatment. I keep up to date with oil changes. You do all of these things, and your rig will hold some value, and you wont be bitching too much about how such n such doesnt work, or this or that is broken.
I sometimes enjoy cleaning my boat, and sometimes I do not, but it still gets cleaned because I enjoy hitting the water in a nice clean boat.
I have the most basic simple boat, yet I get a lot of compliments at boat ramps, on the water, or just when I'm heading somewhere with it trailered. I have a lot of friends that tell me they wish they had a boat like mine.
So for those who say owning a boat isn't worth it, I disagree completely. I love owning a boat.
Any money I've spent on the boats in the last four years other than those two instances is because I wanted to. I WANTED a new trolling motor. I WANTED a bigger motor. I WANTED to redo the floors. Etc.
From what I've seen online, if you get you a welded aluminum hull on a galvanized trailer, they will hold their values quite well. If you take care of your shite, the motors can hold their value pretty well, too.
Sold my first boat for $600 more than I bought it for. Sold my third motor for $300 more than I bought it for. You just have to be patient when buying and selling.
The key is taking pride in your possessions. Some might say I go overboard in how I take care of my shite. I do not leave my shite out in the weather. I clean it every time I get home from fishing. If I dont have time to hit the water in a few weeks, I run the motor on muffs for a little while. I use fuel treatment. I keep up to date with oil changes. You do all of these things, and your rig will hold some value, and you wont be bitching too much about how such n such doesnt work, or this or that is broken.
I sometimes enjoy cleaning my boat, and sometimes I do not, but it still gets cleaned because I enjoy hitting the water in a nice clean boat.
I have the most basic simple boat, yet I get a lot of compliments at boat ramps, on the water, or just when I'm heading somewhere with it trailered. I have a lot of friends that tell me they wish they had a boat like mine.
So for those who say owning a boat isn't worth it, I disagree completely. I love owning a boat.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:52 pm to Jimbo1975
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Too own a boat it not just to go fishing, or riding in it. It's the peace a quiet of nature. Sometimes I love going by myself just to escape reality. My best moments are when i'm in the marsh at day break when the sun is first coming up. that my friend is peace. with owning my own boat. I can give my self that anytime i want. You can't do that with a charter.
Could not agree more. I duck hunt alone almost exclusively for just this reason...nobody else around but my old dog.
My days of going offshore by myself are probably in the past because, frankly, it just ain't a good idea...although I don't know what another person could do except in the case of going over the side. That being said there is NOTHING like being offshore all alone at either sunrise or sunset....I don't know how it is possible but at times sunset in the Caribbean seems to be a 360 degree affair. That shite is almost as beautiful as the day your kids are born.....
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:53 pm to bubba102105
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Is my boat worth the note I pay every month? Probably not, but having the freedom to hookup and go fishing or pulling the kids in the tube whenever I feel like it is freeing to me.
THIS.
It ain't all about fishing for me, either.
Just going on the boat with the kids, riding around, exploring waterways, stopping and jumping off the boat and going swimming when the urge hits you, camping overnight on the barrier islands-- you can't hire a charter to do that kind of stuff.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 4:30 pm to BRich
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THIS. It ain't all about fishing for me, either. Just going on the boat with the kids, riding around, exploring waterways, stopping and jumping off the boat and going swimming when the urge hits you, camping overnight on the barrier islands-- you can't hire a charter to do that kind of stuff.
Even more simple....just maintaining or upgrading a boat is great if you enjoy that sort of thing. I still do almost all of my own auto mechanicing...because I enjoy it....same is true of boat maintenance, repairs etc. I also enjoy restoring a boat...which, if you want a great boat but not a huge bill buy one that someone else no longer wants....they are plentiful....repower it or rebuild the motor and restore that scoundrel...not only will you save a ton of money but you'll have a boat that is basically custom built for your purposes and, more importantly, when something goes wrong...and it will....you'll have an intimate knowledge of what is wrong and what it will take to fix it....that is invaluable when you are not at the hill and there ain't nobody around to come to your aid....
Posted on 6/4/20 at 5:18 pm to Gtmodawg
I think it all comes down to how much you want to "own" the boat. I hate renting stuff, its probably a vice. I do so more and more now, but vehicles and boats I just don't feel comfortable driving when I don't own them. Furthermore, there's something about fishing and hunting by yourself without a guide that makes it seem more enjoyable and rewarding.
As far as money goes, it really all depends on how often you use it. If you fish 10 times a year, a guide may be worth it. If you fish 30 times a year, no way a guide is worth it.
As far as money goes, it really all depends on how often you use it. If you fish 10 times a year, a guide may be worth it. If you fish 30 times a year, no way a guide is worth it.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 5:34 pm to saz_1
Charter until the boat market goes down.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 5:36 pm to saz_1
If you have to ask the question you already have the answer.
I couldn’t imagine the day I didn’t have a boat. I fish a lot at times, others not so much. My truck stays hooked to my boat 90% of the time, batteries charged, gassed up. All I need is decent weather, an itch to scratch.
I couldn’t imagine the day I didn’t have a boat. I fish a lot at times, others not so much. My truck stays hooked to my boat 90% of the time, batteries charged, gassed up. All I need is decent weather, an itch to scratch.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 6:10 pm to saz_1
It’s worth it if you enjoy getting away and being on the water.
That being said. Something seems to always go wrong. Go ahead and triple your budget for repairs.
That being said. Something seems to always go wrong. Go ahead and triple your budget for repairs.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 7:32 pm to saz_1
Bill fishing charters are boring to me. Everyone lets the deck hands pitch the baits or set the hook and then you get handed a rod with a hooked fish. That is not fishing. The captain and mate caught that fish period.
Part of the fun is shopping for tackle, rigging it, then seeing it all come together in that magic moment.
Part of the fun is shopping for tackle, rigging it, then seeing it all come together in that magic moment.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 7:33 pm
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