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re: GI commercial fisherman sentenced to 20 years w/o parole for 6th dwi
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:45 pm to Hammertime
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:45 pm to Hammertime
quote:Do you not understand how dumb you sound?
If you need something done and what you're doing doesn't work, try something else
This is the exact argument for locking his arse up. They've tried everything else (warnings, fines, treatment, probation).
ETA: What punishment would you suggest for his 6th DUI?
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 2:51 pm
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Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:52 pm to baldona
quote:
10 without parole is plenty unless some of his previous incidents caused injuries to others. If so, frick him.
So we have to wait until he kills someone. Got it.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:55 pm to Hammertime
quote:
You're trying to argue that locking up people for exorbitant amounts of time for every crime is better than being proactive.
To be honest, it seems that locking criminals up for longer periods does indeed result in dramatic decreases in crime.
Check any of the crime statistics over the last 30-40 years. It is amazing.
If you remove violent crime concentrations (BR, NOLA, Chicago, Gary, IN, etc) from the mix, it is nothing short of phenomenal.
Sidebar point:
Ironic that we have more guns in the public's hands than at any time in our history, yet statically, we are safer than ever before.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:08 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
How about trying a different strategy after his first through fifth?
I'm not gonna sit here and come up with a master solution because I don't get paid to, but how is the current process curtailing drinking and driving? You get one guy in jail for twenty years, meanwhile attempted murderers get out in 5 just to murder someone two weeks after they're released.
Once again, you just stopped ONE SINGLE GUY. What about the rest? You're being shortsighted thinking that punishing someone after they commit a crime is the way to go. I'd rather stop them before, but your way is working, so what do I know?
I'm not gonna sit here and come up with a master solution because I don't get paid to, but how is the current process curtailing drinking and driving? You get one guy in jail for twenty years, meanwhile attempted murderers get out in 5 just to murder someone two weeks after they're released.
Once again, you just stopped ONE SINGLE GUY. What about the rest? You're being shortsighted thinking that punishing someone after they commit a crime is the way to go. I'd rather stop them before, but your way is working, so what do I know?
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:09 pm to Hammertime
quote:Like what?
How about trying a different strategy after his first through fifth?
Dumb it down for me.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:11 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
First sentence of second paragraph chief. I am not getting paid to think for you, and I don't feel like writing everything out at the present.
FTR, I have a pretty large amount of experience with this and have been through a treatment program. High-horsing it doesn't help you understand anything
FTR, I have a pretty large amount of experience with this and have been through a treatment program. High-horsing it doesn't help you understand anything
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:16 pm to Hammertime
quote:
You're trying to argue that locking up people for exorbitant amounts of time for every crime is better than being proactive
bullshite. We're talking about ONE crime and a guy who has been caught at LEAST SIX times committing that crime.
quote:
Sorry, but I'd like to stop things before they happen
Capital punishment it is.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:17 pm to redneck
Our society is stupid sometimes. 20 years without parole has a $700k tax payer price tags minimum. The guy does definitely need serious consequences for his actions. 3 years of intense, inpatient rehab would cost a shite ton less to taxpayers and might actually help the guy.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:18 pm to Hammertime
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FTR, I have a pretty large amount of experience with this and have been through a treatment program. High-horsing it doesn't help you understand anything
Are you 100% clean and sober now?
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:21 pm to stoms
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Our society is stupid sometimes. 20 years without parole has a $700k tax payer price tags minimum. The guy does definitely need serious consequences for his actions. 3 years of intense, inpatient rehab would cost a shite ton less to taxpayers and might actually help the guy.
Dude, inpatient rehab is $10k to $20k per month. 3 years = 36 months = $360k to $720k. Plus there is the actual punishment of it.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:21 pm to Hammertime
What do you think this guy's punishment should be?
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:21 pm to Jester
Nope, but I know what it takes to keep in control while drinking and I don't drink and drive anymore. That had nothing to do with me going to jail
quote:I went to a high dollar one, and they charged $6500/mo cash and $10k/mo to the insurance companies
Dude, inpatient rehab is $10k to $20k per month
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:25 pm to Hammertime
quote:
so I'll try to dumb it down
quote:
If you need something done and what you're doing doesn't work, try something else
thats what they are doing by locking him up.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:27 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
5 year sentence. 3 years and then on parole where he gets random tests once a week. Obviously no license and outpatient therapy/AA almost every day. Gotta do community service every Saturday and Sunday until the remainder of his sentence is up. Terms not met, he chose to go back to jail.
That's just winging it while I'm waiting in line at McDonald's
That's just winging it while I'm waiting in line at McDonald's
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:27 pm to jorconalx
Made a fool of himself in this thread and he doesn't even realize it.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:29 pm to Jester
quote:
might actually help the guy
Having been to rehab, you are aware of the typical 15% success rate.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:32 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Nope. If you can't recognize that there are alternative ways of solving these problems, you are the fool.
It's easy to say "lock him up for life". It's harder to come up with a legitimate solution that will prevent more than this one single guy from doing what he did. People don't like thinking and people like taking the easy way out. Lock this one guy up and world peace is achieved, right? Nobody will ever drink and drive ever again, right?
What about the 10 million other people with 2+ DWIs?
It's easy to say "lock him up for life". It's harder to come up with a legitimate solution that will prevent more than this one single guy from doing what he did. People don't like thinking and people like taking the easy way out. Lock this one guy up and world peace is achieved, right? Nobody will ever drink and drive ever again, right?
What about the 10 million other people with 2+ DWIs?
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:39 pm to Hammertime
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Nope. If you can't recognize that there are alternative ways of solving these problems, you are the fool.
It's easy to say "lock him up for life". It's harder to come up with a legitimate solution that will prevent more than this one single guy from doing what he did. People don't like thinking and people like taking the easy way out. Lock this one guy up and world peace is achieved, right? Nobody will ever drink and drive ever again, right?
What about the 10 million other people with 2+ DWIs?
Wow you are extremely stupid. So by your logic, we shouldn't put armed robberies, child rapers, and murderers in jail since it doesnt stop other people from committing crimes?
One DUI is dumb enough. But 6 obviously proves you don't give a shite about other people's lives, and you are an extreme danger to society. What I dont understand is how this guy was even able to commit a 6th DUI. He should have been locked up after the 2nd
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:42 pm to Hammertime
quote:Did I ever say that? You're trying to turn this into an argument about the entire justice system. We're talking about one dude that just got his 6th fricking DUI. You advocate 3 years and then putting that frick back on the streets, like no license and classes is going to keep him straight.
If you can't recognize that there are alternative ways of solving these problems, you are the fool.
This dude has been given every opportunity. Warnings, fines, treatment, probation, jail time.
You want to keep holding this guy's hand. I say frick him. He's had every opportunity to get his shite together. He's not getting fricked because of "one unfortunate incident" as you put it. He's getting fricked because he has an extensive criminal history, 6 DUIs, and injured a kid in this latest accident (according to a previous poster, who you conveniently ignored).
ETA: From another article about this dude.
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His last conviction before this year’s was in 2011 for driving a trawler without authorization while under the influence of alcohol and crystal methamphetamine, crashing it into a dock. He pleaded guilty to DUI, unauthorized use of a movable and simple criminal damage to property. As part of the plea arrangement in that case, a judge sentenced him to 10 years in prison but suspended five of those years. He also was sentenced to two years in prison in 2011 for two narcotics-related offenses. He separately has DUI convictions in East Baton Rouge and Lafourche parishes, in addition to Jefferson Parish convictions.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:44 pm to Delacroix
Another one that can't see the forest for the trees 
quote:You're right
You're trying to turn this into an argument about the entire justice system
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 3:45 pm
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