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Posted on 10/9/15 at 2:57 pm to TheAlmightySmash
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peenfiend
I like this.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 2:59 pm to the4thgen
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Victims are not guilty for being drunk. Victims did not “put themselves in that situation” as a result of having been drunk. Victims should not ever feel ashamed of having been drunk
you sound like an SJW. stop it.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 2:59 pm to Navytiger74
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If she was actually in and out of consciousness and wandering around naked not knowing what's going on, she couldn't consent.
Well, the wandering around naked part happened after the alleged non-rape event. And who's to say she didn't consent to it at first, then sober up and get out of the situation? Is it his job to judge her level of impairedness, when he is likely equally impaired? For all we know, she initiated the sexual contact.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:00 pm to LSUBoo
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For all we know, she initiated the sexual contact.
and we don't know if he was sober enough to consent
she may have raped him
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:00 pm to Navytiger74
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If she was actually in and out of consciousness and wandering around naked not knowing what's going on, she couldn't consent.
well the problem is that even assuming that teh guy is 100% sober, she still could have told teh guy yes or even initiated the sex
"blacked out" is NOT "unconscious"
now if she "comes to" and says no and he continues? clearly sexual assault
now if she was unconscious? clearly rape
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:00 pm to Navytiger74
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If she was actually in and out of consciousness and wandering around naked not knowing what's going on, she couldn't consent.
This is the part that always gets me. Why, in the age of so called equality, do we excuse girls getting blackout out drunk, sexually permiscuous, then blame the guy for doing the same?
She clearly consented to drinking at least one whole bottle of booze. Wheres the call for the girl to take responsibility for getting black out drunk to begin with?
It's almost as if everyone else is responsible for the girl's behavior once she gets hammered. That's the exact opposite definition of equality.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:00 pm to Navytiger74
That's quite a load of shite. Have you ever been that drunk? Have you ever been so drunk that the next morning you didn't have a recollection of most of the previous night? Ever been drunk enough to have other people tell you ALL the shenanigans you were up to the night before that was "so unlike you", or having done something you couldn't see yourself doing sober?
It happens ALL the time.
She just can't remember, so she turns to thoughts of her complete innocence, assumes that she was non sexual with him, and will ruin some guys life because SHE drank too much.
It happens ALL the time.
She just can't remember, so she turns to thoughts of her complete innocence, assumes that she was non sexual with him, and will ruin some guys life because SHE drank too much.
This post was edited on 10/9/15 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:01 pm to Navytiger74
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Okay fine. I'm just going off what's available. But I've done a lot of drinking and a lot of drunk fricking, and if I'm physically able to put the work in I'm not too drunk to know what's going on.
How the hell is she intermittently conscious between blackouts (and able to recall with detail)?
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:01 pm to Salmon
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she may have raped him
posted my story of rape before on here
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:01 pm to Navytiger74
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If she isn't lying, that sounds like sexual assault. And I'm almost as quick to throw the bullshite flag up on these as SFP.
If she was actually in and out of consciousness and wandering around naked not knowing what's going on, she couldn't consent
What if HE blacked out too?
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:01 pm to LSUBoo
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Victims are not guilty for being drunk. Victims did not “put themselves in that situation” as a result of having been drunk. Victims should not ever feel ashamed of having been drunk.
quote:Holy fricking contradiction! WTF?
Likewise, at a party, a perpetrator knows he is impaired, and should be held accountable for the drunken assumptions he makes and acts on. He alone is to blame for the assault—not the alcohol, and certainly not the victim.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:01 pm to Salmon
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both guy and girl are drunk, they have sex, girl regrets it, she screams rape, guys life gets ruined this kind of stuff pisses me off
I agree it is a terrible situation, but I don't know how to fix it. Perhaps there should be some sort of lesser charge that applies in these cases.
That being said, I'm not naïve enough to believe that the guy is always innocent. More often than not, the guy is going to be the one who initiated the sex. If it can be proven you're the instigator, you should be held responsible for your actions, drunk or not. The issue is whether or not it can be proven.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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now if she "comes to" and says no and he continues? clearly sexual assault
Well yeah, but when she 'came to' all she said was 'she got him off her' without indication of how difficult/easy that was and if he complied or resisted.
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"blacked out" is NOT "unconscious"
Right. 'I don't remember' doesn't mean she wasn't conscious and willing.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:03 pm to Salmon
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if he was in the same state, why is he held to a higher standard than the girl?
1. Because reality. Deal. If you and your wife get into a fight and the cops show up, guess who probably isn't going to jail.
2. I'm not ready to assume that a guy who was in pipe-laying mode was simultaneously blackout drunk. At least not at the outset and/or the entire time. And I've done my share of drunken hookups/aborted hookups because I was more interested in sleeping or throwing up by the time we got back. I can tell you for a fact that I've never boned a chick while floating in and out of consciousness. If you have that ability, I'd appreciate you sharing the secret with the rest of us.
This post was edited on 10/9/15 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:04 pm to LSUBoo
That's hot.
Well, until she started getting remorseful and tried to justify bad, perhaps regrettable choices she made by accusing someone of a crime they did not commit.
Well, until she started getting remorseful and tried to justify bad, perhaps regrettable choices she made by accusing someone of a crime they did not commit.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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"blacked out" is NOT "unconscious"
And people need to realize that this is an important distinction
This post was edited on 10/9/15 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:04 pm to LSUBoo
Ok, so she says shes too drunk and she couldn't consent but what if hes too drunk too and couldn't tell how drunk she was but at that time she said "yes, lets have sex". Now she wakes up in the morning and regrets it and presses charges and his life in down the drain. I'm sure this happens pretty often.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:04 pm to slackster
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I agree it is a terrible situation, but I don't know how to fix it.
Want to go in on developing a smartphone app that uses a mobile breathalyzer to allow parties to prove sobriety enough to sign off on consenting to sex?
Posted on 10/9/15 at 3:04 pm to slackster
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I agree it is a terrible situation, but I don't know how to fix it.
prosecute false rape allegations
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I'm not naïve enough to believe that the guy is always innocent.
of course the guy is not always innocent, but just in my life I've witnessed 2 false rape claims and 1 pretty much ruined the guys life for a solid year
real rape victims should be outraged at these types of claims
I wish a real rape victim would publicly come out and call out all the false rape accusations
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