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re: TOPs will require ACT of 28
Posted on 2/14/16 at 4:52 pm to tigerskin
Posted on 2/14/16 at 4:52 pm to tigerskin
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Why are we getting what is good enough to succeed in college confused with what deserves a scholarship? They aren't the same.
Because it's not a traditional scholarship. It's made to aid students to stay in state for school and as a factor of that as a graduate.
There are plenty of good students that don't make 28's on the ACT and shouldn't be excluded. I know several dickheads that just test well that aced the ACT and bombed out of college after receiving the highest level tops with stipends and all.
College is about how hard you work, not how gifted you are at taking a standardized test.
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Posted on 2/14/16 at 4:55 pm to The Pirate King
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There are plenty of good students that don't make 28's on the ACT and shouldn't be excluded. I know several dickheads that just test well that aced the ACT and bombed out of college after receiving the highest level tops with stipends and all.
these are outliers
the average kid scoring a 28 or above is going to do well in college and likely earn multiple degrees.
kids scoring 22 or less are probably not likely to make it.
i swear the OT needs a lesson on statistics
Posted on 2/14/16 at 4:56 pm to The Pirate King
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that just test well
Please. No such thing.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 4:57 pm to The Pirate King
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That's retarded. Should be 23-up
This thread is one giant show of ignorance and irrelevant rambling.
Nobody changed the requirements. If they are short on money they cut everyone out who made a 17. If they're still short then they cut 18. It keeps going until it's solvent.
The budget will fund TOPS and they are NOT changing requirements. That would be very hard to do and very unrealistic, politically speaking. The best they could do is intentionally underfund TOPS up to a target of whatever ACT score they'd like. They can NOT factor GPA into the emergency measures. It's a non-issue in spite of the 100+ commenters in this thread.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 4:57 pm to chesty
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TOPs will require ACT of 28 by chesty
I had a 31 on the ACT and a 2.8 lol I hated HS. I was bored all the time and just didn't care
It sounds like you just didn't care and had a bad attitude. If you were bored, you should have worked harder to get good grades.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:00 pm to The Pirate King
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Because it's not a traditional scholarship. It's made to aid students to stay in state for school and as a factor of that as a graduate.
I've always understood that the purpose of TOPS was to keep Louisianas "best and brightest" from leaving the state. Sorry, but if you are not good at taking a standardized test, then you don't fall into that category.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:03 pm to lsu480
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Since we are all created equal though I have no doubt that if they tried to be just as good as black players and were given all of the societal advantages black players are given there is no doubt there would be just as many Asians as blacks playing college basketball
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:03 pm to The Baker
Score a 31 with no prep as a Junior. Salutatorian of a class larger than 200.
#tOT
#tOT
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:05 pm to tigerskin
This will never fly without adjustments for minorities. The bell curve or something similar will have to be used. Southern and some of the other small colleges would be shut down.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:07 pm to Jones
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You kind of throw around your academia self around here quite often.
Well, I will fully admit I know a lot about 1 thing. And that's it. And I milk it for all it's worth.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:07 pm to ell_13
ahhh the OT, where the majority of members scored over 30 on the ACT but decided to attend a run of the mill state school.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:09 pm to tigerskin
What exactly is the logic behind TOPS? I'm not from Louisiana and had never heard of it until reading about it on TD. Here in Minnesota, kids can have a 4.0 GPA and a 36 ACT and they still don't get any kind of free money from the state. It's nice to help out kids these days, but if money is tight, maybe the program should be abolished? It seems as if much of the south is against free government money. How is TOPS any different? Maybe I'm missing something?
It seems like at a bare minimum, kids should have to get a 3.75 and a 32 to get free tuition. Then again, Minnesota has the highest average ACT score in the nation. Kids here can earn scholarships from colleges, but not from the state. We even had a $1.3 billion dollars state surplus last year.
It seems like at a bare minimum, kids should have to get a 3.75 and a 32 to get free tuition. Then again, Minnesota has the highest average ACT score in the nation. Kids here can earn scholarships from colleges, but not from the state. We even had a $1.3 billion dollars state surplus last year.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:11 pm to RedMustang
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Minnesota
Isn't the entire state a solid block of ice until June?
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:11 pm to RedMustang
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4.0 GPA and a 36 ACT and they still don't get any kind of free money from the state.
if you have a 4.0 and 36 you're choosing between harvard, yale, or stanford
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:13 pm to RedMustang
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:13 pm to RedMustang
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What exactly is the logic behind TOPS?
it's a mix of the populism of LA politics and legitimate demographic issues of "brain drain" from the 90s
the problem is the populism part, which required insanely low standards. this also was likely due to federal challenges for discrimination. as you tick that ACT score up, it's going to have an exponential impact on black students
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:13 pm to NIH
I did not attend a state run college fwiw.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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impact on black students
More of an impact on kids sitting around in school, not students.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the problem is the populism part, which required insanely low standards. this also was likely due to federal challenges for discrimination. as you tick that ACT score up, it's going to have an exponential impact on black students
You hit the nail on the head.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 5:17 pm to yurintroubl
those students aren't even taking the ACT, dear
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