re: The Oregonian girl who was going to commit suicide because of her illness...

She shouldn't be ridiculed but she shouldn't be praised as a saint either

Yeah you're trolling. Nobody should believe that nonsense.

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What she did, she did out of fear and despair.

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Pretty crazy how you know what was going through Her head and motivated her. Did the lord give you that power?

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It's a process for everyone that loves you. "Abbreviating the process" is inherently selfish.

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She went through the "process" with those she loved. How long or what that was is her and her families business.

What she abbreviated was the end stages of the disease. Pain, loss of cognition, becoming a bedridden burden and agony for her loved ones. Round the clock nursing and hospice care. Bedsores, shitting and pissing self, urosepsis and trips to and from hospital. MRSA to bedsores and sepsis and trips to hospital. Her family was so deprived.

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Suicide is not the action of someone in a rational state of mind. It's apparent why she wasn't in a rational state of mind, but that doesn't negate that it wasn't a rational act.

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No, some of the idiocy spewed in this thread is not the action of someone in a rational state of mind. Understanding what the progression of your disease is, knowing the terrible suffering ahead for EVERYONE involved and planning out your final days and the end with your family to avoid that terrible outcome for everyone is VERY fricking rational.

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Death, like life, is not just about you.

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This is where I stop with you. The woman didn't go into her house and put a shotgun in her mouth only to let her husband find her brains on the kitchen counter when he returns from work.

She included the people who mattered to her and made a decision that was best for her.

frick all the it's about more than you nonsense. Bitch my life is about me. If there's something I don't like about it I'm going to change that aspect with the swiftness regardless of how my loved ones feel about it.

I'm going to play the cards I've been dealt the best way I can and I expect everyone else to do the same.

I wish Lauren Hill's story was 18 pages. We can all learn from her. She is truly dying with dignity. Steve Gleason is dying with dignity.

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last days to advocate for suicide.

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If it's her last days who cares? If you follow this path of logic I guess you can question all DNR and advanced directives. If you don't submit yourself to all modern medicine has to offer you are killing yourself.

I do not. Your line of reasoning connects those dots.

Terminal and hopeless is terminal and hopeless. How much pre unavoidable death suffering must someone endure before they are worthy of letting go?

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This exactly. Death, like life, is not just about you. It's a process for everyone that loves you. "Abbreviating the process" is inherently selfish. What she did, she did out of fear and despair. It was not a selfless, brave, dignified act. And worse, she made a mockery of herself, her family, and her final days by doing it so publicly. If that is a choice you want to make, then so be it. But don't position yourself as a martyr for a cause or advocate for others.to be allowed to do the same. As far as the religion aspect, that's between her and God.

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Dude I explained it to you last night and you had no rebuttal when explained how it was selfess brave and dignified. a mockery? God forbid someone want something for people that they have never met so they don't have to go through what she had to. THe woman couldn't even die in her own state unless she wanted to be a vegetable...but she took her horrible situation to shine a light on a infringement of personal freedom.Mockery....I guess you hate that Jews had the audacity to flee Germany instead of taking it on the chin and dying a slow painful death in camps. I mean there is honor in the fight right? How did they live with themselves.

anyway...heres what you ignored last night...and I was tab typing so yes there are typos.

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Inher case she chose a path of no more pain and not to burden her family with her health that would lead lead to not only financial burdens but mental. I lived with my grandpaw his last year and a half and had to do everything the finsl 8 months from bath, wipe his arse and put diapers onhim, he was humiliated some days that his grandson had to take dare if him like a baby. So not only are they in pain both patient and care taker get mentally exhaustwd. When he passed i slept for slmost a week. I was so drained. Food bath sleep.

She chose to die so her family woyldnt have t do that. ...in her mind she wanted to keep her dignity and not be humiliated by not even veing able to wipe shite off herself.

She also wasnt selfish because they had time to enjoy together and get everything set up and not your typical suicide where family is in shock but cant mentally prepare for it while having toto get a shotgun funeral together. She knew ehen she was gonna die and chose to f7ght through pain bad enough she wanred to die and enjoy it with her family while fighting psin and seizures. Death was coming closer every day and she was going to do what she thought was best for her family


Thats brave andshe kepr her meaning of dignity.andits hers not anyone else's.

Also kinda brave to promote and fight for your choice while sick knowing people are going toshit on her for standding up for personal freedom

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