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re: The Oregonian girl who was going to commit suicide because of her illness...
Posted on 11/3/14 at 8:45 am to HoustonChick86
Posted on 11/3/14 at 8:45 am to HoustonChick86
I don't want to talk about my son in relation to this again. Sorry.
But, yes, the wording bothers me. Not the choice. Euphemisms by nature are intended to smooth over things which tend to raise a lot of emotion in people. When you're talking about choosing to fight or choosing to die, I think the smoothing over her choice with carefully chosen language makes light of the choice and is unfair to those who choose differently. Yeah, the language is my only problem here.
But, yes, the wording bothers me. Not the choice. Euphemisms by nature are intended to smooth over things which tend to raise a lot of emotion in people. When you're talking about choosing to fight or choosing to die, I think the smoothing over her choice with carefully chosen language makes light of the choice and is unfair to those who choose differently. Yeah, the language is my only problem here.
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Posted on 11/3/14 at 8:46 am to drunkenpunkin
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I think the smoothing over her choice with carefully chosen language makes light of the choice and is unfair to those who choose differently.
But why do you keep acting like it's either/or? Because it isn't.
She just wanted people to have a choice legally. She wasn't trying to make everyone follow her choice.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 8:49 am to LNCHBOX
No, it isn't. But the nature of language is. And the word choice implies that it is.
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 8:50 am
Posted on 11/3/14 at 8:54 am to Dam Guide
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Sure thing chap. Good reasoned debate from you.
Your entire argument (and the argument of 90% of the pro-suicide people in here) is "if you had a relative go through this (or watched someone else go through it), you'd support her."
That's moronic and a logical fallacy. You then equated painkillers to suicide, which is also moronic. Good reasoned debate from you.
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 8:59 am
Posted on 11/3/14 at 8:54 am to drunkenpunkin
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But the nature of language is. And the word choice implies that it is.
Not to me it doesn't. Saying she was brave and selfless doesn't imply that others that didn't make the same choice as her aren't. You're reading too far into it.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 8:56 am to Clyde Tipton
apparently she just faked you out
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:16 am to TN Bhoy
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Your entire argument (and the argument of 90% of the pro-suicide people in here) is "if you had a relative go through this (or watched someone else go through it), you'd support her."
That's moronic and a logical fallacy. You then equated painkillers to suicide, which is also moronic. Good reasoned debate from you.
I support her not because I watched someone go through it, but because I support her freedom to do it as her choice as a competent citizen. I don't believe in sin or religions, so the flying spaghetti monster telling me it is wrong doesn't come into play.
I don't equate painkillers to suicide, I was calling you out on your use of the word coward. I mean if you want to get that black and white on issues, then using medication to ease your "fights" should be cowardice as well. Do it the man's way and just suffer through...
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 9:18 am
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:20 am to LNCHBOX
I disagree. Mincing words often leads to changes in attitudes. Which is precisely why they do it here. People will proudly and vocally support death with dignity. Physician assisted suicide or euthanasia don't quite get the same support. That's fact. I get that you (and many others) aren't dumb enough to fall for it. But, the average person isn't super bright. People are easily manipulated by words. The media does it all the time. Advertisers do it. So do advocates. (Think "fetus" versus "baby". Not arguing abortion, just an example of mincing words to further a cause). Because it works. In this instance, I think it's irresponsible and unfair. Attitudes shift over time anyway and it's not too much of stretch to think that mincing words on this subject could eventually lead to a societal shift that encourages physician assisted suicide rather than burdening the family or, broader, society via public health care with the ugliness and financial burden of your death.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:27 am to drunkenpunkin
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Attitudes shift over time anyway and it's not too much of stretch to think that mincing words on this subject could eventually lead to a societal shift that encourages physician assisted suicide rather than burdening the family or, broader, society via public health care with the ugliness and financial burden of your death.
So I guess the question is... is this really a bad thing?
I say no.
I think that everyone should have a right to die on their own terms if they choose, or fight until the end if they choose.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:31 am to Sentrius
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pooponsaban
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The social contract she formed should be enforced. She should be held accountable and be killed, if she is too much a coward to live and die by her word.
I'd just like to say that this is probably the most disgusting, heartless thing I've seen posted on this site.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:37 am to LSUBoo
The bad part would come when the attitude swings the other way. Someone who chooses to take the long road is considered selfish, undignified, and cowardly because they put their fair and society through the burden of their death.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:37 am to RollTide1987
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As a Christian I have plenty of fault with it.
As an atheist I find fault with a god giving a 29 year old with so much life ahead of her a brain tumor that would have killed her in a horrible way.
As an atheist I find fault with Christians who judge others while the Bible stands on the saying "judge not unless ye be judged."
As an atheist, I find fault in Christians being okay with the use of cutting edge technology and medicine to save lives, but not the same technology to show compassion to a suffering person.
Basically, I think you are a complete hypocrite. Sorry she died in a mortal state and her soul is condemned for damnation for not wanting to suffer. Hope you have fun with the child molesters and serial killers who are in heaven because they found god in jail.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:44 am to LSUZombie
Preach
Posted on 11/3/14 at 9:49 am to LSUZombie
You are obviously confused with the term Christianity and religion. I am a Christian, I believe in the complete sovereignty of God. I do not judge or condemn anyone as that is not my place or objective. Once again I say that what she does is her choice. I just do not believe she went about it the correct way. She exploited herself. Plain and simple.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 10:52 am to drunkenpunkin
quote:NO ONE SAID THIS
Someone who chooses to take the long road is considered selfish,
Posted on 11/3/14 at 10:54 am to Buck Magnum
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You are obviously confused with the term Christianity and religion
As someone who was a Christian for many years, I don't think I have the two confused at all.
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I do not judge or condemn anyone as that is not my place
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She exploited herself. Plain and simple
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 10:54 am
Posted on 11/3/14 at 1:57 pm to Karnac
Years ago, I remember reading a test in Psychology Today that correlated people's ethical beliefs to their political stances. A question was posed: A loved one is dying and the one drug that can save their life is too expensive to afford. You decide to steal the drug (no other option is allowed) and when your are caught, you must answer why you did it. The category of answers basically fall into a group of 6 responses:
1) I would never do that. It's a sin/crime and God/society should punish you.
2) I have the RIGHT to steal that drug.
3) What would people think of me if I did that?
4) I would do it for God, country, apple pie, etc.
5) It's wrong but I'd take my punishment.
6) Human rights outweigh man's rules.
Brittany Maynard's death has elicited similar responses (or slight variations) from this forum. Two of these responses are considered Liberal/Radical and 4 are considered Conservative/Extreme Right. The reason I seldom get involved in ethical, religious, or political discussions is that I think most people are incapable of any significant change and of course, think only their beliefs can be the correct answer.
Rest in peace Brittany.
1) I would never do that. It's a sin/crime and God/society should punish you.
2) I have the RIGHT to steal that drug.
3) What would people think of me if I did that?
4) I would do it for God, country, apple pie, etc.
5) It's wrong but I'd take my punishment.
6) Human rights outweigh man's rules.
Brittany Maynard's death has elicited similar responses (or slight variations) from this forum. Two of these responses are considered Liberal/Radical and 4 are considered Conservative/Extreme Right. The reason I seldom get involved in ethical, religious, or political discussions is that I think most people are incapable of any significant change and of course, think only their beliefs can be the correct answer.
Rest in peace Brittany.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 4:18 pm to Karnac
quote:
Years ago, I remember reading a test in Psychology Today that correlated people's ethical beliefs to their political stances. A question was posed: A loved one is dying and the one drug that can save their life is too expensive to afford. You decide to steal the drug (no other option is allowed) and when your are caught, you must answer why you did it. The category of answers basically fall into a group of 6 responses:
1) I would never do that. It's a sin/crime and God/society should punish you.
2) I have the RIGHT to steal that drug.
3) What would people think of me if I did that?
4) I would do it for God, country, apple pie, etc.
5) It's wrong but I'd take my punishment.
6) Human rights outweigh man's rules.
Brittany Maynard's death has elicited similar responses (or slight variations) from this forum. Two of these responses are considered Liberal/Radical and 4 are considered Conservative/Extreme Right. The reason I seldom get involved in ethical, religious, or political discussions is that I think most people are incapable of any significant change and of course, think only their beliefs can be the correct answer.
Rest in peace Brittany.
That test is pretty interesting to me. I will have to look it up to read more about it.
Posted on 11/3/14 at 10:50 pm to LSUZombie
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as an atheist
Atheists are morons that offer the world absolutely nothing except the obsession to prove something doesn't exist that that they don't believe exists. Morons
This post was edited on 11/3/14 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 9:00 am to RollTide1987
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It effects me dearly when a fellow human being dies in a state of mortal sin. I will spend my evening prayers praying for her soul.
If this is true you are the biggest loser on TD
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