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re: The Fermi Paradox (Why we haven't been contacted by aliens)
Posted on 5/23/14 at 7:57 am to Pectus
Posted on 5/23/14 at 7:57 am to Pectus
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Well, what if God is just an alien?
Or an primal alien spore?
Or the creator of a quantum computer that spawned this universe?
That would, at the very least, move off of the laughable - "life sprang from lifelessness" on this planet.
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Posted on 5/23/14 at 8:03 am to FT
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Your mommy and daddy create technology. But one day, that technology gets to be smarter than them. So the technology starts to expand rapidly, making your mommy and daddy obsolete (that means they're more worthless than they used to be). If your mommy and daddy's technology gets smarter than everyone, some people think it will completely change the way your mommy and daddy and even you live, forever. Now, my idea is that on every planet, mommies and daddies invent technology, and that it always gets to be smarter than them. Since the technology is doing everything based on logic, all the technology will basically do all the same things, no matter what planet they're on. And all the planets will decide not to contact each other. If this was too long and you didn't read it, basically, your mommy and daddy's toaster will one day hate you, if it doesn't already.
I'm just seeing. Excellent summary
Mommy and daddy...
Posted on 5/23/14 at 8:12 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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I don't think you understand what the great filter is. It ends us. Donezo. No matter if we are on one planet or 10. Because the great filter could be anything we know or don't know about yet that ends life.
Or the great filter could just be something that doesn't end life but limits the spread of life. Like someone else pointed out, every planet reaches the singularity, and then rather than future being like Star Trek and exploring the universe the future becomes like The Matrix. It's probably much more cost efficient to travel a virtual universe than the real one.
Also, if the speed of light is a real barrier then space travel and colonization may not be very high on anyone's agenda. The math they did predicted how fast life would spread if it actually tried to, but as long as you managed your population growth rate appropriately, and looking at the birth rates in the developed vs. undeveloped world I'd say we would, there'd be no need to try and conquer the known universe, something that sounds like a very expensive endeavor if you're limited to light speed and the energy technology we can currently conceptualize. The Great Filter might be as simple and non species threatening as the economics of space travel minimize our desire to do so.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 8:58 am to FT
What if we all become the aliens?
What if we are in our larvae stage of development, and when we "die" we simply advance to a higher form of life, up and up. Eventually we become what we view as aliens. That would be sweet.
What if we are in our larvae stage of development, and when we "die" we simply advance to a higher form of life, up and up. Eventually we become what we view as aliens. That would be sweet.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 9:47 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Meh. If aliens ever come here they will probably vote Democrat so no thanks.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 10:24 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
I think we've passed The Great Filter, but the hurdles and resource limitations will stop us short of reaching Type III Civilization status.
If Earth were the size of Jupiter we might have enough resources to eventually make the jump.
Natural Disasters or our own bullshite will lead us back to the dark ages or extinction within 1000 years.
If Earth were the size of Jupiter we might have enough resources to eventually make the jump.
Natural Disasters or our own bullshite will lead us back to the dark ages or extinction within 1000 years.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:22 pm to The Bruce
If we were created by aliens, then you still have to figure out who or what created those aliens
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:34 pm to FT
There are 10,000 Galaxies in this image, each with up to 100 Billion Stars.
I just doubt we are alone. Seeing that this image was only focused on a tiny fraction of space.
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100 sextillion stars
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the closest star to us, Proxima Centauri, is 4.24 light years away, or 70,000 years away in our fastest spacecraft.
So if the sun were a 4cm-diameter ping pong ball in New York, the closest star is another ping pong ball 1,153km (743mi) away in Atlanta.
This post was edited on 5/23/14 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:35 pm to rebeloke
How would you be able to distinguish between God and a being from a Type III civilization?
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:36 pm to ThuperThumpin
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How would you be able to distinguish between God and a being from a Type III civilization?
Solid First Post.
Even a type I or II could be godlike. Type II wields the power of a Star.
I wonder how these would relate to sci fi shows for perspective?
This post was edited on 5/23/14 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:38 pm to ThuperThumpin
Bibles written:
God 1; Type III Civilization 0
Any other questions, heathen?
God 1; Type III Civilization 0
Any other questions, heathen?
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:42 pm to Napoleon
I've never understood some religious people's issue with alien life being incaptible with God's word. If there is a God it is an e.t. or extra dimensional being. IE an alien to this planet. So if you believe in God you believe in alien life.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:47 pm to Napoleon
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I wonder how these would relate to sci fi shows for perspective?
Prometheus touched on it recently. Not a good movie imo but the role of one creature in the film was to seed life
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:57 pm to Ace Midnight
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That would, at the very least, move off of the laughable - "life sprang from lifelessness" on this planet.
Would it? or wouldn't it just make the question "who created the creator?" more relevant?
Posted on 5/23/14 at 12:58 pm to Napoleon
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I wonder how these would relate to sci fi shows for perspective?
Just got through reading the first two books of The Commonwealth Saga where they find type II and III civ's that are godlike
Posted on 5/23/14 at 1:01 pm to The Bruce
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I think we've passed The Great Filter, but the hurdles and resource limitations will stop us short of reaching Type III Civilization status.
If Earth were the size of Jupiter we might have enough resources to eventually make the jump.
Well, if we can ever harness fusion energy and start to mine other planets it won't be that hard.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 1:04 pm to FT
Frustrating that you can only see the galaxy as it was MILLIONS and MILLIONS of years ago. For all we know now there's a giant hand flippin' us off out there now.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 1:08 pm to ThuperThumpin
The bible does deal with it fwiw. Fallen angels... Lucifer is the prince of the air. For now, he's up in the stars.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 1:09 pm to colorchangintiger
Very, very interesting read. i love things like this that really work my brain.
My issue with the whole thing is that its written with the premise and assumption that any other intelligent life form that may exist needs similar parameters to what we live in. Ie, temperature range, oxygen levels, liquid water, toxic gasses, things of that sort.
If other types of intelligent life exist, it's easily arguable that they may be tailored for cold environments, to breathe different types of gasses than we do, maybe live under water.
It's also arguable that a Type II or III is adaptable and can live in various environments. This alone blows all of the calculations wide open.
As far as the God argument, there's even less supporting evidence that God exist than other intelligent forms of life. We can at least view the universe and use calculations to determine an range of probability. No form of science can back anything related to religion.
My issue with the whole thing is that its written with the premise and assumption that any other intelligent life form that may exist needs similar parameters to what we live in. Ie, temperature range, oxygen levels, liquid water, toxic gasses, things of that sort.
If other types of intelligent life exist, it's easily arguable that they may be tailored for cold environments, to breathe different types of gasses than we do, maybe live under water.
It's also arguable that a Type II or III is adaptable and can live in various environments. This alone blows all of the calculations wide open.
As far as the God argument, there's even less supporting evidence that God exist than other intelligent forms of life. We can at least view the universe and use calculations to determine an range of probability. No form of science can back anything related to religion.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 1:24 pm to colorchangintiger
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if we can ever harness fusion energy and start to mine other planets it won't be that hard.
This could be the filter.
1) Try to harness fusion.
2) Create black hole.
3) Entire civilization sucked into cosmic trash compactor.
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