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re: Surprise Surprise - FBI wants Apple to unlock additional phones

Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:39 am to
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:39 am to
Have I been mentioned in this thread yet?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:41 am to
Hey, have you seen that CAD703X guy?

What a douche.
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 8:42 am
Posted by BuckeyeFan87
Columbus
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:42 am to
Posted by mikelbr
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:48 am to
quote:

I care. I would rather the government (and eventually hackers) not have the ability to break into my phone whenever they want.


I am one of those people who don't give a frick.
If it means they'll catch the real bad guys then go for it.

They can dig away through my pics of nekkid skanks and sexts and lengthy negotiations with ex wives over kids' school,schedules,practices.

The perception of liberty is subjective whereas Quoting Ben Franklin to apply to 2016 is stupid and that's not subjective.

This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 8:50 am
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:48 am to
Chisholm v Georgia (1793) indicates the Preamble influences Constitutional interpretation.

You are more right than am I in this issue.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:49 am to
If the government can hack the security of the phone and get the information ofg, that's fine and dandy.

The government legally compelling a company to dilute their security to the point of it not being secure at all is absolute garbage. If the company wants to help of it's own accord, that's fine, being forced to do it through a judge is bullshite in a supposed free state.

Every police organization is waiting on this backdoor to be created, one DA came out and said they have 175 phones waiting on the results of this case.

This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 8:51 am
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:49 am to
Americans didn't learn shite from the Snowden debacle
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78389 posts
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:51 am to
Did the German engineers write an open letter to the world when the British cracked the enigma machine?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72198 posts
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:54 am to
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Chisholm v Georgia (1793) indicates the Preamble influences Constitutional interpretation.

I'm not saying it doesn't influence it. It does. It gives some idea as to the writers' motivations.

It just has no legal authority and does not grant the government any powers.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:54 am to
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I am one of those people who don't give a frick.
If it means they'll catch the real bad guys then go for it.

This to me.

If folks want to embark on some Quixotic journey to zealously defend the rights of the little guys against the intrusion of Big Brother in this complex age, knock yourselves out.

It's (for me) simply Risk:Reward

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:58 am to
I guess I don't understand why people want to make this such a big issue right now. Justifiable warrants have overridden civil liberties for hundreds of years, yet now people want to take a stand.
Posted by ZekeTheTeke
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:08 am to
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I guess I don't understand why people want to make this such a big issue right now. Justifiable warrants have overridden civil liberties for hundreds of years, yet now people want to take a stand.


But never before has so many dick-pics been at stake!
Posted by BuckeyeFan87
Columbus
Member since Dec 2007
25240 posts
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:29 am to
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I am one of those people who don't give a frick. If it means they'll catch the real bad guys then go for it.

Until their agenda makes you the bad guy.


People assume that because they've lived their lives to this point with pacifier up their arse, things can't change in an instant.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:54 am to
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It's (for me) simply Risk:Reward



EXACTLY. And the risk here is enormous. They aren't looking for ONE phone to be hacked. They want a universal key and that makes the request unacceptable. As another poster pointed out, if they can do it themselves then fine but the precedent of ordering a company to create technology across a universally held device makes this a bigger issue.*

*Pointing out that cell phones are in their own category given that everyone carries one now. This is to head off the people that will whip out an example where this has happened with some obscure item or tech that 99% of the population doesn't have and isn't affected by. Zoning requiring a Knox Box on a locked entrance gate for a private residence comes to mind.
Posted by russpot
alexandria
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:56 am to
Apple is a disgrace by not complying.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:02 am to
WTF would I be doing with my phone,computer,tablet,that I am afraid for the FBI to look at?Nothing.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47540 posts
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:10 am to
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Until their agenda makes you the bad guy.


By the time having pics of nekkid skanks and texting a chick I wanna "suck your breakfast out your butthole" is illegal, I should be dead and gone.

Other than that, all I have is normal banter and pics of my kids doing stupid shite and sports/dance.

Nothing to hide here.

quote:

WTF would I be doing with my phone,computer,tablet,that I am afraid for the FBI to look at?Nothing.

Exactly. They aren't digging and reading shite. Their algorithms are listening/scanning text for key words/phrases that could threaten national security. People are stupid.


This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 10:12 am
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18928 posts
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:13 am to
Has this really devolved to the "I have nothing to hide so it is OK" phase?

Serious question, would you be OK with warrantless searches of homes by police on a regular basis? Because I bet we could seriously impact crime levels if we started that. Everyone is for reduced crime right? And you aren't doing anything illegal in your home and have nothing to hide, right? So why not?
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:18 am to
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WTF would I be doing with my phone,computer,tablet,that I am afraid for the FBI to look at?Nothing.


Congrats...you just nailed down my grandmother's reasoning for why my Dad should have never had his bedroom door closed while growing up...

I mean...why have it closed if you're not doing anything wrong, right?
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47540 posts
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:21 am to
quote:

erious question, would you be OK with warrantless searches of homes by police on a regular basis? Because I bet we could seriously impact crime levels if we started that. Everyone is for reduced crime right? And you aren't doing anything illegal in your home and have nothing to hide, right? So why not?



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