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Surprise Surprise - FBI wants Apple to unlock additional phones
Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:45 am
Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:45 am
Article here
But I thought this was an isolated incident of extreme national security importance.
But I thought this was an isolated incident of extreme national security importance.
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 1:46 am
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 2:06 am to Spirit of Dunson
Posted on 2/24/16 at 2:08 am to Spirit of Dunson
Your government will take care of you.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 2:35 am to Spirit of Dunson
I know you're reading, FBI... You suck.
Tag... knock if you dare..
Posted on 2/24/16 at 2:41 am to Spirit of Dunson
I currently have and use an iPhone. That may be coming to a quick end.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 5:03 am to PrivatePublic
Anyone who didn't expect an overreach here was kidding themselves. When has the US government not overreached recently when it comes to trying to spy on its own people?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 5:49 am to jdd48
quote:(Conceptually) asked no one who was in this building:
When has the US government not overreached recently when it comes to trying to spy on its own people?
I don't know where the line is between the rights of citizens to privacy and the responsibility of our government's (with the consent of the goverened) responsibility to investigate and thwart threats foreign and domestic but rational people will never all agree where the line is.
I personally don't have a problem with this entire Apple code issue.
Maybe I'm irrational, shallow and stupid.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 6:00 am to soccerfüt
WTH does the OKC bombing have to do with this? Are you implying that the government should be constantly monitoring all citizens without any level of prior suspicion a la the KGB? Because that's the only way they would have stopped McVeigh. He wasn't even on the radar.
Not your best post.
Not your best post.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 6:03 am to jbgleason
quote:
Are you implying that the government should be constantly monitoring all citizens without any level of prior suspicion a la the KGB?
Are you implying that they aren't already? Because that's laughable.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 6:05 am to thegreatboudini
quote:exactly.
Are you implying that they aren't already? Because that's laughable
Posted on 2/24/16 at 6:50 am to jbgleason
Not your best post.
A. As is pointed out, the NSA is already applying algorithms to all communications.
B. Read the Preamble to the US Constitution: The goal of establishing our government Is to "insure domestic tranquility" "promote the general welfare" and "provide for the common defense". That means having the capacity to effect surveillance. And sometimes this means erring on the side of infringement on personal liberty or freedoms. We have enough lawyers in our society to eventually remediate any errors.
C. I'll take the present excesses of our government versus not having them watching over the situation. I get that we could become more like a police state. If forced to take an extreme from the two choices, I'd rather that than anarchy.
A. As is pointed out, the NSA is already applying algorithms to all communications.
B. Read the Preamble to the US Constitution: The goal of establishing our government Is to "insure domestic tranquility" "promote the general welfare" and "provide for the common defense". That means having the capacity to effect surveillance. And sometimes this means erring on the side of infringement on personal liberty or freedoms. We have enough lawyers in our society to eventually remediate any errors.
C. I'll take the present excesses of our government versus not having them watching over the situation. I get that we could become more like a police state. If forced to take an extreme from the two choices, I'd rather that than anarchy.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:03 am to soccerfüt
Who cares? Government wants to view the phones of criminals and terrorists. Phones they have possession of already. Go for it IMO.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:05 am to SomethingLikeA
I care. I would rather the government (and eventually hackers) not have the ability to break into my phone whenever they want.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:17 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:You have two issues here.
I care. I would rather the government (and eventually hackers) not have the ability to break into my phone whenever they want.
Issue 1: Government Invasion-
I agree that the information contained on a smart phone is much more invasive than fifty years ago getting a wiretap. But from a legal standpoint, the public airwaves are being used, therefore the federal government has some oversight responsibility. Also there is a national security component to being able to review the information being exchanged. You can't have a 100% secure private communication system that uses federal airwaves.
Issue 2:
Private hacking. You think hackers aren't hard at work right now? Maybe the government having access might make their task easier but they (hackers) will hack ANY man-made system for the potential fiscal reward. Bringing this into the argument is a red herring.
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 7:19 am
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:22 am to PrivatePublic
Why would an Android be any different?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:26 am to Spirit of Dunson
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:26 am to soccerfüt
Public Airwaves???
That's like saying Public Sunshine or Public Gravity. Pure poppycock that the "airwaves" are owned.
They have no right to my private business.
That's like saying Public Sunshine or Public Gravity. Pure poppycock that the "airwaves" are owned.
They have no right to my private business.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:28 am to soccerfüt
The Russians flat out WARNED us about the Boston bombers and they STILL couldn't stop it.
The information overload dilutes every solid thread of intelligence.
The information overload dilutes every solid thread of intelligence.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:51 am to soccerfüt
Gee. I didn't have you pegged as a fascist.
There is a famous quote about the man that trades Liberty for Security ending up with neither. You should check that out. BTW. I am pretty far right politically but having been on the inside of the GOV I can tell you that it's power needs to be monitored and controlled lest the "public servants" run amok.
There is a famous quote about the man that trades Liberty for Security ending up with neither. You should check that out. BTW. I am pretty far right politically but having been on the inside of the GOV I can tell you that it's power needs to be monitored and controlled lest the "public servants" run amok.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:54 am to LeonPhelps
quote:
Why would an Android be any different?
It isn't.
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