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re: Surprise Surprise - FBI wants Apple to unlock additional phones
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:55 am to Spirit of Dunson
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:55 am to Spirit of Dunson
They've been unlocking phones for the FBI and NSA for awhile. They just dont want this known to the public.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:57 am to Spirit of Dunson
Apples stance on this is still so puzzling. Not wanting to help is one thing, but why won't they come out and say whether they can or cannot actually do it?
When the phones are revealed and sold, Apple boast about its robust encryption to the point that they say even Apple cannot get into the phone once it is shipped. If that is the case, why not fall back on that defense? If it isn't the case, and Apple can indeed override security features that lets the FBI brute force the phone, then why say it is impenetrable?
When the phones are revealed and sold, Apple boast about its robust encryption to the point that they say even Apple cannot get into the phone once it is shipped. If that is the case, why not fall back on that defense? If it isn't the case, and Apple can indeed override security features that lets the FBI brute force the phone, then why say it is impenetrable?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:00 am to Spirit of Dunson
On another note, if, and that is a big if, the phone can be accessed with Apple's help, I don't understand the backlash if the FBI has a warrant.
Creating and implementing a backdoor for the FBI to access going forward is a problem. Helping the FBI access the phones when they have a warrant seems to be a no brainer, assuming they have a warrant.
Creating and implementing a backdoor for the FBI to access going forward is a problem. Helping the FBI access the phones when they have a warrant seems to be a no brainer, assuming they have a warrant.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:01 am to soccerfüt
You left out OTHER Government hacking.
You may trust your information to the US government. But its not private hackers you have to worry about. Do you trust your information to China? North Korea? Iran? Its not just the governments you trust that will only have your information. It will be a free for all.
You may trust your information to the US government. But its not private hackers you have to worry about. Do you trust your information to China? North Korea? Iran? Its not just the governments you trust that will only have your information. It will be a free for all.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:02 am to Spirit of Dunson
I am shocked the government would try to take advantage of it's own citizens by breaking the law. Simply shocked.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:04 am to slackster
quote:From what I understand, they can do it but they will have to design the hack. It doesn't currently exist.
Not wanting to help is one thing, but why won't they come out and say whether they can or cannot actually do it?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:08 am to soccerfüt
quote:
That means having the capacity to effect surveillance. And sometimes this means erring on the side of infringement on personal liberty or freedoms. We have enough lawyers in our society to eventually remediate any errors.
C. I'll take the present excesses of our government versus not having them watching over the situation. I get that we could become more like a police state. If forced to take an extreme from the two choices, I'd rather that than anarchy.
1984
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:11 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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From what I understand, they can do it but they will have to design the hack. It doesn't currently exist.
That is what I understand as well. Basically, the FBI wants Apple to override the "10 wrong passwords and reset" and the "time-delay between tries" feature that the phone may have. This will allow the FBI to hack it quickly with brute force. Part of me believes this is Apple just trying to save face after proclaiming even they couldn't get into the phones, but I don't have the technical knowledge to say that for certain. At the end of the day, if Apple is capable of overriding the feature on their end, then can't you argue that the backdoor already exists?
Regardless, if the government has a warrant, I don't see the issue.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:12 am to slackster
quote:But the backdoor doesn't exist. It's capable of being created. Apple doesn't want to create it.
if Apple is capable of overriding the feature on their end, then can't you argue that the backdoor already exists?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:14 am to soccerfüt
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I'm irrational, shallow and stupid
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:16 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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But the backdoor doesn't exist. It's capable of being created. Apple doesn't want to create it.
Then it already exist. If there is a way to get into the phone with Apple's help, then there is already a backdoor.
Now, from what I understand, this may not be feasible on the most recent iOS and phones, but a certain variation can have this capability.
Highly recommend this article from CNBC on the matter
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 8:17 am
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:16 am to bencoleman
quote:Pretty funny insult coming from you.
I'm irrational, shallow and stupid
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:17 am to slackster
quote:We have different definitions of "exist."
Then it already exist.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:24 am to soccerfüt
quote:The Preamble does not have any legal authority.
Read the Preamble to the US Constitution
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:28 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:
Pretty funny insult coming from you
Your name says it all.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:31 am to Bullfrog
quote:If you don't like governmental intrusion, visit Somalia or Libya and tell me how that's working for the common man.
Public Airwaves???
That's like saying Public Sunshine or Public Gravity. Pure poppycock that the "airwaves" are owned.
They have no right to my private business.
The airways in the US are publicly-held and regulated.
Vote (or vote for folks who will vote) to change it if you care enough.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:38 am to soccerfüt
Did you actually read the first result on your link?
quote:
The only case in which the Supreme Court has directly addressed a claim based on the Preamble. In this case the court examined the Constitutional rights of Jacobson, and rejected his claim to a personal right, derived from then Preamble, to the "blessings of liberty". In rejecting Jacobson’s claim, the Court wrote that "the Preamble indicates the general purpose for which the people ordained and established the Constitution" and went on to point out that "[the Preamble] has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the Government..." .
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:38 am to bencoleman
quote:There's plenty of room on the bus here.
I'm irrational, shallow and stupid
There's no RIGHT answer to this question.
There will be a compromise and that compromise will evolve.
I'm comfortable with what you think is a faulty position. The reverse is true for me about your position.
The truth is that Apple has already done some things to aid the NSA. This all is a grandstanding ploy for PR.
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