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re: Study of Biggest Losers finds that the body wants and will fight to be Fat
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:13 pm to mouton
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:13 pm to mouton
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I think he was solely referring to distance runners not those who do/train for triathalons.
correct I was simply referring to marathon type runners.
and I get that woman like different styles of man. I could care less about it, but I get it. I also realize for many that are wealthy they see weight lifting as something poor people do and that their exercise should come in the form of running. I also realize many wealthy people look down on those with any significant muscle mass. And by no means is this true for all but there is 100% that notion out there.
I realize all these things. I also realize that people should stick to the exercise that makes them happy as its what they are more likely to stick too.
I was simply stating the best way to make true body comp changes. thats it. and that remains a proper nutrition plan, along with a proper weight training program combined with HiiT.
pretty much that simple. Sure there are other ways and in the vast majority of people any type of exercise is much better than what they were doing.
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Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:18 pm to lsu777
Sure, it's probably discussed at the conference how the public will perceive the article but what can they do about it? People will always be ignorant and it applies to almost every field of study.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:23 pm to Winkface
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Sure, it's probably discussed at the conference how the public will perceive the article but what can they do about it? People will always be ignorant and it applies to almost every field of study.
no doubt. Like i said I wasn't attacking and its exactly what I thought it was, but was just hoping I was wrong. Most have no idea what leptin even is much less how to raise it, so its not like it matters.
IMO 99% of people instinctively know how to eat properly, they just think to damn much and rationalize bad choices. This just gives those another excuse to do so.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:26 pm to lsu777
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IMO 99% of people instinctively know how to eat properly, they just think to damn much and rationalize bad choices
Imo this isn't really true. I've met a lot of people who think switching from hot pockets to lean pockets means they're eating healthy. Or eating circle K cereal for breakfast and dinner is healthy. Dumb shite like that. There's a ton of people who honestly don't know. Just ignorance and lack of food education.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:31 pm to McLemore
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Swimming has been key.
I got to get a pool or take a year off and go to Nicaragua or Thailand. Maybe I'll get lucky and get dysentery and then the lbs will "Melt" away.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:33 pm to Hulkklogan
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imo this isn't really true.
I agree. I think it's pretty much the opposite. It's all still calories in/out as far as controlling weight. But how you get and control those calories is a total shitshow these days.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:35 pm to KG6
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But, not everyone is looking to be swole. As many girls that go after the muscle bound guy, there are those that see the douche stereotype. Not everyone wants to look like that.
Not everyone who lifts is looking to be swole either. Heck if you saw me in normal clothes you probably wouldn't even know I worked out. I would not mind adding muscle but I no longer have a desire to be huge(not that it is that easy.)
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:37 pm to Kujo
Ha. Swimming has helped me regain definition and has afforded me a few extra calories a day. But it has really been about getting close to a ketosos state. I don't want to start on that debate, but just cutting out bread and shitty carbs is key.
I religiously read labels--most everything in a package contains added sugar in some form, even if disguised as organic beet juice.
I religiously read labels--most everything in a package contains added sugar in some form, even if disguised as organic beet juice.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:41 pm to McLemore
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most everything in a package contains added sugar in some form
So true. It's unreal.
I try to stay diligent about reading labels and avoiding any added sugar to food. Unfortunately when you eat out, it's basically impossible to know.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:42 pm to McLemore
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ust cutting out bread and shitty carbs is
I love bread and beer though
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:43 pm to Kujo
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I got to get a pool
I am sure there is a ymca around
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:48 pm to McLemore
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But it has really been about getting close to a ketosos state
yeah, that's what I'm doing
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:03 pm to Hulkklogan
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Imo this isn't really true. I've met a lot of people who think switching from hot pockets to lean pockets means they're eating healthy. Or eating circle K cereal for breakfast and dinner is healthy. Dumb shite like that. There's a ton of people who honestly don't know. Just ignorance and lack of food education.
This all day long. I was one of those people. Like I said earlier calories in vs calories out is true on the broad spectrum to loose weight it isn't necessarily helping you get truly healthy.
It's amazing the increase in energy, decreased hunger, and even mental focus you gain just by eating clean, sleeping enough and moving around more. Looking how far I've come I never want to go back to that state again.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:07 pm to mindbreaker
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mindbreaker
If you do not mind sharing, who was your doctor and nutritionist (I think you mentioned this in an earlier post) who helped you on this path?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:09 pm to lsu777
Well, since I was professionally measured by the university lab I paid to do it, I suppose I know what the percentages were. FYI, I am 6 feet tall. I raced at 135-137 up until I was 41-42. During the years I lifted I raced at 142-145. It was always a PITA to keep weight on during the season.
I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just presenting the perspective of a retired runner who raced for 30+ years on an elite, sponsored level. Every elite level athlete has strength and weaknesses. I was thin with a high VO2 max. I trained to my strengths and this too, like not lifting, was a mistake.
And, I agree with you. In peak condition I was scary thin. I got sick a lot. I had all sorts of nagging injuries. Pain management was always a big part of the game. I am much healthier now at age 55+ and 155 lbs. I only run about 45-50 miles a week these days. I lift (if you can call it that) every other day. I feel great.
I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just presenting the perspective of a retired runner who raced for 30+ years on an elite, sponsored level. Every elite level athlete has strength and weaknesses. I was thin with a high VO2 max. I trained to my strengths and this too, like not lifting, was a mistake.
And, I agree with you. In peak condition I was scary thin. I got sick a lot. I had all sorts of nagging injuries. Pain management was always a big part of the game. I am much healthier now at age 55+ and 155 lbs. I only run about 45-50 miles a week these days. I lift (if you can call it that) every other day. I feel great.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:22 pm to runningdog
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Well, since I was professionally measured by the university lab I paid to do it,
How was it measured?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:30 pm to ThinePreparedAni
My doctor wasn't near as involved as my nutritionist or who I consider my nutritionist is. I just go in yearly to get blood work and make sure everything is in working order from him. His name is Frank Alvarez in Baton Rouge.
My "nutritionist" was actually a guy a went to high school with that has a biology degree and is a big health nut. He doesn't live in the state anymore. He pretty much talked to me for an hour over the phone and gave me a few books to read. I call him and bounce things off of him occasionally with my diet. His big contribution was breaking down how bad sugar is for you and what it does to your body. He went into glucose levels and insulin and other things i didn't understand. I'm not completely educated on it still but the take away was how much added sugar is in EVERYTHING and not to eat it.
I like lifting and that was one thing that was spoken about in here. Do what you enjoy when it comes to exercise and you'll keep doing it.
My workout program is a modified version of Joe Manganiello's book "Evolution". Except his program is 6 days a week and mine is four. It does a mini circuit rotation of lifting were you work opposite muscles so it limit breaks. So i go from a chest to a bicep exercise with no break and only 60 seconds until I start another circuit.
This actually keeps your heart rate up through the workout that's why I don't focus on cardio much.
but so far after 10 months
starting
400lbs
58 waist
5xl shirt
Now
285 lbs
48 waist
3xl shirts (I can fit in a 2x standing but when i sit down yeah not an attractive look for sure)
my actual waist may be smaller but I wear my pants higher because the belly hanging over the belt look I just can't bring myself to do that. which mine still does.
I don't count calories at all. I only eat lean meats, vegetables (with one rule it has to be a vegetable that can be eaten raw which eliminates corn, beans, peas, potatoes etc.) and fruits if I crave sweets.
My "nutritionist" was actually a guy a went to high school with that has a biology degree and is a big health nut. He doesn't live in the state anymore. He pretty much talked to me for an hour over the phone and gave me a few books to read. I call him and bounce things off of him occasionally with my diet. His big contribution was breaking down how bad sugar is for you and what it does to your body. He went into glucose levels and insulin and other things i didn't understand. I'm not completely educated on it still but the take away was how much added sugar is in EVERYTHING and not to eat it.
I like lifting and that was one thing that was spoken about in here. Do what you enjoy when it comes to exercise and you'll keep doing it.
My workout program is a modified version of Joe Manganiello's book "Evolution". Except his program is 6 days a week and mine is four. It does a mini circuit rotation of lifting were you work opposite muscles so it limit breaks. So i go from a chest to a bicep exercise with no break and only 60 seconds until I start another circuit.
This actually keeps your heart rate up through the workout that's why I don't focus on cardio much.
but so far after 10 months
starting
400lbs
58 waist
5xl shirt
Now
285 lbs
48 waist
3xl shirts (I can fit in a 2x standing but when i sit down yeah not an attractive look for sure)
my actual waist may be smaller but I wear my pants higher because the belly hanging over the belt look I just can't bring myself to do that. which mine still does.
I don't count calories at all. I only eat lean meats, vegetables (with one rule it has to be a vegetable that can be eaten raw which eliminates corn, beans, peas, potatoes etc.) and fruits if I crave sweets.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:34 pm to runningdog
how was BF measured? and if you were that BF%, why did you do that? was it just not knowing better? and yea I would imagine that at BF% you had a few nagging injuries lol
and sorry mouton and myself are not trying to be dicks about the whole BF% thing its just we see people claim this all the time when they are actually at 12%. Like i said 4% is a unicorn.
and you really run close to 50 miles a week? I'm not judging I asking honestly, do you believe this to be healthy and good for your body?
and sorry mouton and myself are not trying to be dicks about the whole BF% thing its just we see people claim this all the time when they are actually at 12%. Like i said 4% is a unicorn.
and you really run close to 50 miles a week? I'm not judging I asking honestly, do you believe this to be healthy and good for your body?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:35 pm to mindbreaker
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but so far after 10 months starting 400lbs 58 waist 5xl shirt Now 285 lbs 48 waist 3xl shirts (I can fit in a 2x standing but when i sit down yeah not an attractive look for sure)
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:40 pm to Hulkklogan
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Imo this isn't really true. I've met a lot of people who think switching from hot pockets to lean pockets means they're eating healthy. Or eating circle K cereal for breakfast and dinner is healthy. Dumb shite like that. There's a ton of people who honestly don't know. Just ignorance and lack of food education.
See I find people know they should stick to fruits veggies and mostly leaner or higher quality meats. Just most people don't. I find alot it has to do with cost. Your example being a perfect one.
Also you are younger so you are going to be around a different group then me since I am in my mid 30s.
What i see is people that give into peer pressure and go out to lunch. People that justify eating things like you mentioned due to cost. People that justify bad meals with its just one time kind of thing.
What I see more than anything though and totally goes against what I said is that people lose the ability to naturally eat well if they go to a restaurant. Because they do not have a true understanding of nutrition or serving sizes they fail to realize that the grilled chicken salad has 3 servings of crouton and 4 servings of dressing on it. In other words they fail to see the hidden calories.
But if you take most people to the supermarket and tell them to go get food for a really healthy meal, they will grab fruit, veggies and a lean meat. Nothing wrong with that. Its everything else that fricks them.
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