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re: South Texas College of Law
Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:50 am to Coast Tiger
Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:50 am to Coast Tiger
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All of my wife's family has graduated from South Texas. Damn fine school. VERY respected.
While personal experiences are great and useful, it's so misleading when people come in and tell the guy that a consensus low-ranked law school is a great school and highly regarded.
It's not. That doesn't mean he can't be successful from there, but compared to to LSU/Ole Miss, and especially compared to higher T2 or T1 schools, you're starting with a hand (or two) tied behind your back.
If he wants to take on that challenge and can make it work financially, full support to him. But encouraging people who struggle to get into solid law schools to take on the personal burden of an educational path that may or may not be right for them, in addition to the professional obstacle of starting out from a low ranked school, is something I don't think should be taken lightly.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:52 am to nosaj
Probably as good as charleston college of law.
Which is a fricking joke
Which is a fricking joke
Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:53 am to Pettifogger
Well,
If its highly regarded in Houston and he plans to stay there for twenty years no biggie.
But obviously he shouldn't go there and go to a big firm in NYC that's not gonna happen.
If its highly regarded in Houston and he plans to stay there for twenty years no biggie.
But obviously he shouldn't go there and go to a big firm in NYC that's not gonna happen.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:53 am to TheOcean
I graduated May 2014 so I have thus far taken 1 year off.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:54 am to Wooly
Unless of course you lived in charleston your whole life and come from old money. Then it's a gimme
Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:55 am to nosaj
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GPA 3.75
Do not waste that GPA to PAY to go to South Texas.
You talk about being smart and shite, take some time and study for the LSAT and knock it out of the park. then if you still want South Texas, go for free.
If the best you can do on the LSAT is a 150, then you are not nearly as analytic as you claim to be. Sorry to be a dick, but don't do that to yourself when you have options.
Options that I didn't have. I was a "splitter" the other way, shite undergrad GPA, good LSAT. There was nothing I could do to get more money from schools. You on the other hand can correct your errors and wait a year.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:57 am to sealawyer
Agreed. The LSAT isn't the end all be all test, but if the best you can do is a 150, you probably should find something else to do with your time/money
Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:57 am to nosaj
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I don't want to piss away full acceptance for maybe getting in a week before school starts.
Trust me when I say the South Texas College of Law will always be there. What was your LSAT? Their median is 151 which is terrible. If yours was below that, seriously reconsider going to law school.
Their employment rates are also terrible. The above the line number looks ok, but that masks a ton of people who went solo straight out of law school (ie, effectively unemployed) or worked for tiny firms. And they didn't have a single graduate get a federal clerkship! There are much better ROIs for a $120K investment at 6.8% interest.
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Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:01 am to lsucoonass
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If its highly regarded in Houston and he plans to stay there for twenty years no biggie.
This is subjective too, and can often lead to bad information.
I know a professor at South Texas and know a couple of people who went there, but I won't speak authoritatively about what professionals in Houston think about it.
But, as a Georgia based attorney, I imagine it's something akin to Mercer (which i think is probably better) or John Marshall (which may be worse). Those are schools that might be touted as "well respected" in Atlanta, which really means that you can get hired in Atlanta out of those schools but you will struggle to get hired somewhere else. This is different than let's say, SMU, where you can get hired anywhere with an SMU degree but Dallas people revere it like a degree from Yale. That's a much truer definition of "well respected in (CITY)" to me.
In sum, I'm sure South Texas puts out Houston attorneys. But I doubt more competitive firms hire frequently from South Texas, and I'm positive that it's still a challenge to find employment in this legal environment. Moreover, I doubt the average Houston attorney would go "South Texas, that's a great school." They'd probably modestly defend it, as I would a mediocre GA law school.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:03 am to Pettifogger
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But, as a Georgia based attorney, I imagine it's something akin to Mercer (which i think is probably better) or John Marshall (which may be worse). Those are schools that might be touted as "well respected" in Atlanta, which really means that you can get hired in Atlanta out of those schools but you will struggle to get hired somewhere else. This is different than let's say, SMU, where you can get hired anywhere with an SMU degree but Dallas people revere it like a degree from Yale. That's a much truer definition of "well respected in (CITY)" to me.
I agree with this.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:04 am to nosaj
I'm kinda in the same boat that you, but im applying for occupational therapy schools.
I will apply to lsu Shreveport, lsu New Orleans, university of Toledo and Ohio state university (I have a friend who works as a neurosurgeon at osu and has written me a letter of recommendation) and Texas women's.
I have a combined gpa of 3.6. And didn't study for my gre so I made a 292 and a 4.5 out of 6 on the essay. I have a bs and ms.
I'm paying out of pocket for my prereqs bc it's only a few classes and I'm saving my post 9/11 gi bill for ot school. Which will pay for 36 months.
The osu and university of Toledo are doctoral programs and also have dual doctoral options as well. So in addition to my doctorate in ot I could also get a ph.d in exercise physiology.
Decisions decisions
I will apply to lsu Shreveport, lsu New Orleans, university of Toledo and Ohio state university (I have a friend who works as a neurosurgeon at osu and has written me a letter of recommendation) and Texas women's.
I have a combined gpa of 3.6. And didn't study for my gre so I made a 292 and a 4.5 out of 6 on the essay. I have a bs and ms.
I'm paying out of pocket for my prereqs bc it's only a few classes and I'm saving my post 9/11 gi bill for ot school. Which will pay for 36 months.
The osu and university of Toledo are doctoral programs and also have dual doctoral options as well. So in addition to my doctorate in ot I could also get a ph.d in exercise physiology.
Decisions decisions
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:08 am to nosaj
You could go and have it work out, or you could go and fall on your arse, but one thing that's sure as shite is if you go to a crappy law school because you didn't pull up that 150 and you could have, you will regret it for the rest of your life.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:09 am to lsucoonass
I guess I should study for the gre (i only studied for about a week for one hr a day) again. Ill do that after summer school.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:55 am to LSUTigersVCURams
I took a practice lsat and got a 148. Took a Kaplan course, twice actually, and moved up significantly. I highly recommend this before you go to law school based on an lsat you didn't study for. It's a simple test if you put in the work.
Kaplan is $2500 or something along those lines, but you are spending $2500 now to not spend serious money on your law school education. I found that it was a great investment.
Kaplan is $2500 or something along those lines, but you are spending $2500 now to not spend serious money on your law school education. I found that it was a great investment.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:57 am to Atom Knab
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They focus a lot on trial advocacy. Every trial competition I went to, they always had a really good team.
Depending on where you wanted to end up, it may not be a bad choice.
+1 ... know a couple of folks who went there ... they're employed ... you won't get a job at a top law firm, but you know trial law the day you graduate ...
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:00 am to Atom Knab
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took a practice lsat and got a 148. Took a Kaplan course, twice actually, and moved up significantly. I highly recommend this before you go to law school based on an lsat you didn't study for. It's a simple test if you put in the work.
How much did it improve your score?
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:05 am to woodyb95
Took the lsat twice. First time went up 14 points. Went up an additional 4 the second time.
But in all fairness, i studied a lot the month before and locked myself in a room 8 hours a day the two weeks before the exam.
But in all fairness, i studied a lot the month before and locked myself in a room 8 hours a day the two weeks before the exam.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:07 am to Pettifogger
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While personal experiences are great and useful, it's so misleading when people come in and tell the guy that a consensus low-ranked law school is a great school and highly regarded.
It's not. That doesn't mean he can't be successful from there, but compared to to LSU/Ole Miss, and especially compared to higher T2 or T1 schools, you're starting with a hand (or two) tied behind your back.
This is patently false. First, in Houston, LSU is considered relatively on par with South Texas. Second, Ole Miss is considered the joke that it is. Third, personal experiences inform one's judgment. In my personal experience, and in the personal experience of many others, South Texas produces lawyers every year that work at top notch firms making great money. As I said, I work at an AmLaw 200 firm and the bulk of the attorneys who are my colleagues are South Texas grads. Now, we do mostly litigation, so that may be something to take into consideration as well.
But the bottom line is that it really depends on the market you want to be in. If I wanted to go to California, my LSU law degree would mean frick all, but a degree from Chapman may mean I get a job at a great firm in the L.A. area, despite Chapman being ranked significantly lower than LSU.
If the guy wants to live and practice in Houston, South Texas is a fine school and is, in actuality, respected in the Houston legal community. I wouldn't go so far as to say "very respected," but I will say that it won't really hamper him like a degree from Southern.
On the other hand, I side with the Ocean on this and think the guy needs to retake the LSAT after investing in one of the Princeton Review or Kaplan courses. It is just simply amazing how much a $1200 program can pay off for you in the long run.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:13 am to LoveThatMoney
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hird, personal experiences inform one's judgment. In my personal experience, and in the personal experience of many others, South Texas produces lawyers every year that work at top notch firms making great money. As I said, I work at an AmLaw 200 firm and the bulk of the attorneys who are my colleagues are South Texas grads. Now, we do mostly litigation, so that may be something to take into consideration as well.
Right. But is it useful to give your personal experience without the caveat that the South Texas grads who land these jobs are a tiny %.
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