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re: Senior skip day is tomorrow......

Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:02 am to
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13568 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:02 am to
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A kid makes a 70 on test 1 and does test corrections to earn half the points back. That's a 85 now. Same kid makes a 80 on test 2 and does test corrections to earn half the points back. That's a 90 now. Same kid makes a 75 on test 3 and does test corrections to earn half the points back. That's a 88 now. Same kid makes another 80 on test 4 and does test corrections to earn half the points back. That's a 90 now. See how much it can improve their grade


I think all of this is so ridiculously dumb. What have you really accomplished in TESTING the kids on what they've learned if you just curve it up to a grade they didn't earn by giving them an opportunity to raise their grade by correcting answers? Either a kid knows the information or he doesn't. I will never understand this method of teaching. You want to give them extra credit, give them a bonus question at the end that is extremely difficult.
Posted by Geaux23
Member since Sep 2012
5807 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:37 am to
because if they go back and correct the wrong answers they learn from their mistakes.........
Posted by jac1280
Member since Dec 2007
5380 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:40 am to
I have a table made for test corrections.

One column is where they write the problem.

Second column is their scratch work and answer that was incorrect.

Third column is their new scratch work and potential correct answer.

Ideally, they use their old scratch work to show them what mistakes to not make again.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 12:18 pm
Posted by zmanthetigerfan
Prairieville, LA
Member since Oct 2015
889 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:49 am to
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I have a table made for test corrections.
One column is where they right the problem

Yeah, theyre obviously learning a lot from you.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15503 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 12:11 pm to
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I think all of this is so ridiculously dumb. What have you really accomplished in TESTING the kids on what they've learned if you just curve it up to a grade they didn't earn by giving them an opportunity to raise their grade by correcting answers? Either a kid knows the information or he doesn't. I will never understand this method of teaching. You want to give them extra credit, give them a bonus question at the end that is extremely difficult.


Bonus question that is extremely difficult only benefits the kids that already know the information. If he is seeing benefits with this route to actually teach more kids how to grasp the subject, more power to him. Making an A kid into an A+ kid really benefits no one, making a C kid into a B or better kid helps a lot.
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2635 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 12:39 pm to
It's obvious that you don't care whether or not you are an a-hole for doing this. Why even bother asking the question? Just so I get my answer out there, you are an a-hole, but it's not because you were offering extra credit on senior skip day, it's because you deemed your class more important than the potential memories they could make by putting out an incentive to not be with their classmates.

The problem is, you don't get that. The end of senior year is bittersweet for students. You're not going to see a lot of these people until your 10 year reunion or ever again. It's about spending time with them as much as possible before they go their separate ways. You put your advanced mathematics class, which will hold absolutely zero bearing on their future (honestly, how many kids in you class are going to end up using that? maybe one?), in front of that. So, that's why you're an a-hole. You can't say 'oh, I offered extra credit so there's no way that can be mean,' but in reality you know full well you have students who will fail without it, therefore attempting to force them to come work math problems they will most likely never use or see again.

There's a difference between being an a-hole and a strict teacher. A strict teacher can put things and perspective and let the small stuff slide in light of the big picture. You are not strict. This was an a-hole move.

Hopefully you'll learn from it and not do the same next year.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47553 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:13 pm to
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it's because you deemed your class more important than the potential memories they could make by putting out an incentive to not be with their classmates
ummmm he is the TEACHER. i'd hope he treats his class as more important.

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The problem is, you don't get that.
no, YOU don't get that school isn't over until it's over. the grades still count. if students don't care how can it be the teacher's problem?

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ut in reality you know full well you have students who will fail without it, therefore attempting to force them to come work math problems they will most likely never use or see again.
if they fail, they fail.

Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2635 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:51 pm to
I like how you like to equate high school with the real world. They're kids. They should be treated like kids, not adults. An adult not getting skip days is not equal to a high school kid not getting skip days. And in what world do adults not get skip days? Paid vacation or sick leave is a thing pretty much everywhere.

It's showing why you're an elementary education major. You're just not that smart, which is unfortunate for whatever students you end up putting forth into this world.
Posted by Geaux23
Member since Sep 2012
5807 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:03 pm to
your parents should be proud

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I like how you like to equate high school with the real world. They're kids. They should be treated like kids, not adults.


they are not longer kids at 18 year old seniors
that is what is wrong with our world
people like you growing up babied with no responsibilities
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 2:12 pm
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2635 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:17 pm to
I had plenty of responsibilities growing up and I sure as shite was not babied. All of those responsibilities probably taught me how to distinguish between the important things and things that we should let go in light of the grand scheme of things.

I also don't see how my parents being proud has anything to do with this, but alright bud.
Posted by jac1280
Member since Dec 2007
5380 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:20 pm to
Just had a kid check in for my 8th period class. His shorts were soaking wet so I asked him where he came from?

He said once his mom found out that he could earn back over half of the points he missed on last Friday's test, she made his arse leave wherever he was and come check himself in school for my class.

He is failing my class, but not by much, so any little bit helps.
Posted by Geaux23
Member since Sep 2012
5807 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:26 pm to
sounds like they taught you to make excuses for things you didn't find important instead of getting the job done
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2635 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:31 pm to
If you want to twist it that way, that's up to you. It's tough to deny that there are things that can take a backseat to the bigger picture. It's done every day and in every place. I'm sure you've done it plenty but that wouldn't support your view so you can play that card.

But hey, at least you can act like a hardass. That counts for something in your book, I'm sure.
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2635 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:38 pm to
Good for the kid. I'm sure you consider it to be a moral victory that you got him to abandon whatever he was doing for your class, but not because he won't fail, more because you got to essentially forced him into it. So I guess a congrats is in order for that.

By the way, why are you posting on tigerdroppings during class if you made it so important for him to be there? Shouldn't you be teaching him or something? At least make it worth his while.
Posted by NoShow
Member since Feb 2013
2339 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 4:11 pm to
Is that you Mr. Hand? Spicoli says "Hey Dude"
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 4:31 pm to
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it's because you deemed your class more important than the potential memories they could make by putting out an incentive to not be with their classmates.
Well they can choose to make the corrections or not. If they want to skip, then they fail to get the bonus points; they can weigh the costs and benefits accordingly.

But the idea that the teacher SHOULD put a skip day first, is just strange prioritization, from the teacher standpoint.
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You're not going to see a lot of these people until your 10 year reunion or ever again.
It is 2016 and Facebook and other social media connect is like never before. Besides, if they don't talk to someone for 10 years then senior skip day is probably irrelevant to that relationship.
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You put your advanced mathematics class, which will hold absolutely zero bearing on their future
So by your logic why have any coursework if it has absolutely no bearing?
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but in reality you know full well you have students who will fail without it
Well for the people who are doing well, there is little issue. For those that need it, they can either make the decision to do the work or skip school. If skipping school is worth it to them, then their prioritization does not indicate future success.
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in light of the big picture
Senior skip day is part of the big picture? This is just weird to me.

I'm surprised how big of a deal some of you are making out of a skip day.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 4:33 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47553 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:37 pm to
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showing why you're an elementary education major. You're just not that smart, which is unfortunate for whatever students you end up putting forth into this world.
you're a Communist. "Don't go to school, but you deserve the same grade as the kids who do".
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
113940 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:38 pm to
So did this a-hole get his rocks off by being a dick to HS seniors who don't give a frick about his class?
Posted by Jimmy2shoes
The South
Member since Mar 2014
11004 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 7:53 pm to
How many kids showed up to this jack wagon's class?
Posted by Palo Gaucho
Benton
Member since Jul 2013
3334 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 7:56 pm to
Dick move.
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