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re: Michigan Bottle Deposit Scam - Right out of Seinfeld
Posted on 7/24/16 at 1:50 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 7/24/16 at 1:50 pm to WG_Dawg
This how bottle deposits work. Each state legislates what they want listed as refundable containers. Businesses within that state that sell containers listed will charge an extra 5 cents, 10 if in Michigan, to the purchaser to cover the deposit of that container.
It is now upto the purchaser to redeem the deposit once they are finished with the container. Now the company's that sell the containers will now report how much they took in from deposits when their products were sold. They will get a report of how many of their containers were redeemed for the deposit. If the company took in more in deposits than was returned they would send the difference to the state. This is why it's aginst the law to bring containers from another state. Those containers didn't have a deposit taken on them.
Sorry for the wall of text. There is still a bit more but this is the jest of it.
It is now upto the purchaser to redeem the deposit once they are finished with the container. Now the company's that sell the containers will now report how much they took in from deposits when their products were sold. They will get a report of how many of their containers were redeemed for the deposit. If the company took in more in deposits than was returned they would send the difference to the state. This is why it's aginst the law to bring containers from another state. Those containers didn't have a deposit taken on them.
Sorry for the wall of text. There is still a bit more but this is the jest of it.
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Posted on 7/24/16 at 1:52 pm to weadjust
Only works if the truck and gas are free, And the can collector has an enormous amount of free time.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 1:59 pm to Ghost of Colby
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It could be considered fraud,
No, steep penalty or not, it is ACTUAL fraud. You are fraudulently turning in items to collect the refund of a deposit that was never paid. He is literally stealing $1,000 from the state of Michigan.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:28 pm to Evolved Simian
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No, steep penalty or not, it is ACTUAL fraud. You are fraudulently turning in items to collect the refund of a deposit that was never paid. He is literally stealing $1,000 from the state of Michigan.
This might be true if he actually returned them, or attempted to return them. He did neither.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:34 pm to logjamming
What is to stop them from arresting you for having 3 or 4 empty cans in your car and crossing back into michigan?
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:42 pm to blueridgeTiger
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Felony
Give me a break.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 4:06 pm to logjamming
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This might be true if he actually returned them, or attempted to return them. He did neither.
What this person did was not the point of my post.
The poster indicated that fraud is somehow questionable in a deposit scam. It isn't. There is no gray area.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 4:59 pm to blueridgeTiger
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Brian Everidge, who is accused of attempting to “return” more than 10,000 bottles from other states, faces up to five years in prison for one felony count of beverage return of non-refundable bottles.
Goodbye Norman, goodbye!
Posted on 7/24/16 at 5:26 pm to WG_Dawg
Probably because he is stealing from
The state.
The state.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 5:36 pm to blueridgeTiger
Growing up, my grandmother would have a bin just for cans and my great uncle, who lived across the street, would make the couple hour trip to Michigan to get the refund.
Now it's going to be hard to break it to my family that my little old grandmother was apparently running a criminal organization.
Now it's going to be hard to break it to my family that my little old grandmother was apparently running a criminal organization.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 6:03 pm to blueridgeTiger
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In reality, the ploy – returning bottles purchased outside of Michigan to capitalize on the refund – is illegal under the state’s bottle deposit law. And a Michigan resident is finding out just how steep the penalties could be
Hopefully there was no intent to break the law.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 6:18 pm to Bestbank Tiger
ten cents each. so $1000. Still probably not worth the trouble but if you own a panel van and do it all the time you could make as much as a hot shot delivery person.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 6:19 pm to the LSUSaint
this. he didn't actually turn them in, a public defender should be enough to free him.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 7:41 am to WG_Dawg
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Newman had that all worked out years ago.
and on the mother of all greeting card holidays, Mothers DAy, we often see spillover into a FIFTH truck. And guess who signed up to be the driver?
I don't remember why Newman and Kramer failed. What was their downfall?
Posted on 7/25/16 at 8:23 am to blueridgeTiger
Jerry's car is stolen by his mechanic and Kramer sees him on the road, dumps the cans and Newman to increase speed and follows the car.
Newman ends up banging the farmer' s daughter.
Newman ends up banging the farmer' s daughter.
This post was edited on 7/25/16 at 8:25 am
Posted on 7/25/16 at 8:40 am to Anonymous95
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In 2010, the unclaimed deposits totaled $17.3m, the state report said.
Damn...that's a lot of dimes
Posted on 7/25/16 at 8:51 am to FuzzyBearE
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Damn...that's a lot of dimes
173,000,000 dimes
The stack would be 144 miles high.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 9:22 am to buckeye_vol
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Growing up, my grandmother would have a bin just for cans and my great uncle, who lived across the street, would make the couple hour trip to Michigan to get the refund.
Now it's going to be hard to break it to my family that my little old grandmother was apparently running a criminal organization.
Rut roh rooby roo! You just submitted that your Grandmother and Great Uncle ran a Conspiracy to commit crime, that's 20 years for Conspiracy. Probably RICO Act violation too since it was interstate criminal conspiracy. Maybe Wire Fraud, or Money Laundering if they ever deposited the money in a Federally Insured banking institution.
Gonna make it really tough to get any more chocolate chip cookies outta Granny Hard Time with that thick sheet of plexiglass tween the two of ya on visiting days.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:12 am to Ghost of Colby
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Meanwhile over in Ohio, a 20 yr college student was found murdered after disappearing while riding her bicycle. They arrested a man that served less than 3 years for a very similar crime. His other victim was able to escape. The criminal justice system is broken in this country. Felony for recycling a little steep. It could be considered fraud, but I bet the guy thought he found a legal loophole in the system.
This is not comparable. Mr. Bottle Deposit hasn't even been tried yet, it'll probably be pled down even if he gets conficted, which he may not be. IANAL but doubt he serves time over it.
Edit: The linked article has numerous quotes from a former prosecutor, who agreed with my assessment. He won't serve time and might not get convicted at all.
This post was edited on 7/25/16 at 10:16 am
Posted on 7/25/16 at 10:26 am to blueridgeTiger
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 10:27 am
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