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re: Decline of the African American family - article
Posted on 3/30/14 at 3:28 pm to Buddy Garrity
Posted on 3/30/14 at 3:28 pm to Buddy Garrity
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the young generation of blacks has been much less violent than those in the late 80s and 90s
Having the largest prison population in the world tends to do that kind of thing. We love to lock people up for stupid shite. Prison should be for violent offenders and hard core criminals.
We're created several generations of institutionalized black Americans. We throw them in jail, have to take care of their dependents and then them when they are released. It's been more damaging that anything that happened 50 plus years ago.
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Posted on 3/30/14 at 3:32 pm to recruitnik
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Yet when you impose "help" by threat of punishment (taking benefits, subsidies, etc away) you have a direct, adverse affect on those same children.
If that cannot be understood first, the conversation cannot take place.
And this is exactly the point in the conversation that will never allow this problem to be solved.
Tell us about all of the good we are doing to the children under the present system.
And then act like if the government didn't subsidize their irresponsible behavior and unhealthy lifestyles then they and their children would all starve to death and have to live on the street or under the bridge because that's what 100 years of indoctrination of statism has done to the people of this country. No one can imagine a solution without it going through the government. That's the mental disorder most people have.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 3:36 pm to just1dawg
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With the advent of modern welfare that number changed drastically with the federal and state governments taking over the father's role as provider.
It penalizes marriage, and penalizes the attempt at improving one's lot in life. The current welfare system is a total failure and highly responsible for the current welfare trap.
it's also contributed to the Walton Family and their ilk being some of the wealthiest people in the country.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 4:11 pm to bobaftt1212
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mandatory birth control while on government assistance.
I like this but....
You can supply it but you can't FORCE them to properly use it
Posted on 3/30/14 at 4:12 pm to bigeztiger
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You can supply it but you can't FORCE them to properly use it
If you go that direction, get ready for the eugenics complaints and Nazi comparisons.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 4:40 pm to bigeztiger
Have gotten the nazi/eugenics statements thrown in my face before. The deal is if you sign up to suck on the gov't teat you should have to give up some rights. Rights like the right to choose when to have kids. I also think if you are on government assistance you should give up the right to vote. It is a conflict of interests. As far as BC that could be made mandatory I would go with norplant or the IUD. You implement those 2 suggestions and I think the problem would solve itself within a generation or 2.
This post was edited on 3/30/14 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 3/30/14 at 4:55 pm to bobaftt1212
The best way to create a democrat voter for life (if not subsequent generations, too) is to encourage a woman to have a kid out of wedlock that she can't afford.
Single mothers vote dem almost as much as blacks, just like they were designed to.
sheep
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
managed just like any other flock
Single mothers vote dem almost as much as blacks, just like they were designed to.
sheep
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
managed just like any other flock
Posted on 3/30/14 at 5:12 pm to Palmetto08
black men love white women
Posted on 3/30/14 at 5:26 pm to Palmetto08
I skimmed the article, but I didn't see where the author correlated this "decline" of the AA family with other negative statistics of consequence.
For example, are more AA kids dropping out of school because of this? A quick google search tells me the opposite has happened.
Or has the number of crimes commited by AAs increased? Because overall crime in this country has been steadily decreasing since the late 80s and early 90s.
Also, I'm guessing the "family" in general is declining in this country, not just among AAs.
For example, are more AA kids dropping out of school because of this? A quick google search tells me the opposite has happened.
Or has the number of crimes commited by AAs increased? Because overall crime in this country has been steadily decreasing since the late 80s and early 90s.
Also, I'm guessing the "family" in general is declining in this country, not just among AAs.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 5:30 pm to urinetrouble
I am not going to give my opinion on this thread other than to say I haven't seen anyone point out the real reason for the decline. Its nothing racist but I am avoiding these threads so ill let you guys come up with it on your own. 
Posted on 3/30/14 at 5:30 pm to kingfish225
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Slavery and then Segregation went on for 200 years but I suppose a wrong that lasted that long should be overcome in 30-40 years. Things take time and if you think its getting worse and not better then you really have no idea whats going on in the real world.
Well said. You could turn this around and ask why there are any low end or middle class whites with the advantage they have had.
But what you will get is "my daddy didnt own no slaves" or "everything is equal now". I honestly think alot of white southerners get the cultural angle but that doesnt help with their self esteem.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 5:32 pm to Lakeboy7
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there are any low end or middle class whites with the advantage they have had.
What advantage has an average blue collar 30 year old white dude had that you haven't had?
Posted on 3/30/14 at 5:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What advantage has an average blue collar 30 year old white dude had that you haven't had?
I'm not black. But I'm older than 30 and raised in North Louisiana.
What advantages? Not having my ancestors enslaved is where I would start, access to better education and health care historically and better economic opportunities over time.
Have things improves in the last 30 years? Absolutely. But to draw an arbitrary line like shows you either discount history or have an agenda.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 5:48 pm to Lakeboy7
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Not having my ancestors enslaved is where I would start,
150 years ago??? It's time to find a new excuse.
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access to better education and health care historically and better economic opportunities over time.
Bettering your life so you don't have to rely on government provided health care and work will go a long way to improving your well being.
Maybe we should offer free educational opportunities for poor folks so they could have a way to break the cycle of poverty? Think that would work?
Damn, we already have that.
What's your solution to breaking this cycle? More excuses? More welfare traps? Or maybe if you'd read some of what has been posted, there are some real solutions out there that may work. Of course, you'll have to stop blaming someone and start looking forward.
This post was edited on 3/30/14 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 3/30/14 at 6:07 pm to Lakeboy7
No, we get the historical issues. We get that there's little generational wealth in black families. We get that there are still people alive who couldn't ride the white bus. But what we (many whites) don't get is why any of that justifies the violent crime, the lack of fathers, the obsession with rap and that culture. Esp since we constantly see immigrants from other poor countries who live peaceful productive lives and make sure their kids are educated.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 6:21 pm to biglego
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But what we (many whites) don't get is why any of that justifies the violent crime,
It doesn't, but everything I've seen indicates that violent crime is on the decline in this country. It's never fast enough, but some people imply that it is headed in the wrong direction.
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the lack of fathers,
Ok, I agree that isn't a good thing, but what is getting worse because of that?
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the obsession with rap and that culture.
A lot of white people listen to rap as well, and what's the problem with that? Mainstream rap nowadays isn't violent like in the 90s.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 6:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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enslaved
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150 years ago?
What's the proper amount of time to get over being enslaved?
Posted on 3/30/14 at 6:37 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
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The government needs to stop giving people incentives to reproduce.
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The government needs to stop giving people incentives to reproduce.
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The government needs to stop giving people incentives to reproduce.
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The government needs to stop giving people incentives to reproduce.
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The government needs to stop giving people incentives to reproduce.
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The government needs to stop giving people incentives to reproduce.
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The government needs to stop giving people incentives to reproduce.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 6:39 pm to DanglingFury
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What's the proper amount of time to get over being enslaved?
Not sure. I'd think if no one alive had experienced this, it's most likely more of an excuse than a real issue. Segregation was probably more damaging to a few still alive today.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 6:41 pm to urinetrouble
Any drop in crime is attributed to mass incarceration and abortions (thanks, Freakonomics). But blacks still commit the most violent crime percentage-wise and it isn't close.
I've never been one to blame music or video games or TV, but I do think rap music is both reinforcing and symptomatic of what too many young black males value.
I've never been one to blame music or video games or TV, but I do think rap music is both reinforcing and symptomatic of what too many young black males value.
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