re: Believe the science!...except food science is killing us

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We do. We know that triggering the metabolic state known as ketosis rapidly burns off fat, but eating in a pattern that induces ketosis gets mixed up with all of the fad diets just like all of the good nutritional advice does.

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Tell me more about ketosis without telling me I can't keep eating my wife's homemade chocolate chip cookies. I ration and work out to earn those.

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I would use butter like most others have said.

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How well does butter hold up on long fryings? If I’m cooking say 40 filets and fries, onion rings that’s a lot of butter but will it hold that long?

I realize what I’m saying in a thread about health. I eat fried food once a month.

People that fry white perch use canola. If you’re frying sac a lait, use peanut oil.

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Ah, I see. Sadly I don't know the answer, I've never cooked that much fish/fried stuff for that long

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I use butter a lot with other cookings. Honestly wife hates me using anything other than olive oil or butter. But on big fryings I use peanut oil. Good job on your liver reports, happy to see that. My wife is a health person (nut) and I never was but have improved gradually over the years. Outside of one of those Mexican cokes once every 3-4 months I don’t do soft drinks. Water, coffee, and Jack/water is all I drink, lots of water though.

Like I said, you didn't cure your fatty liver disease it progressed to cirrhosis in a significant amount. I didn't say the 2 were exclusive.

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 The fatty liver progressed to cirrhosis? I mean kind of and okay

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So what are you arguing with me about? Your image shows that you have active disease.

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So yeah, I promise I know what I'm talking about; you can stop worrying about me hurting myself with keto or whatever stupid bs you were trying to insinuate with your ignorant take

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I have nothing against low carb or keto. I've done low carb in the past successfully.

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You would want to stay below 20 grams of net carbs a day to get there and stay there. Honestly, even lower for some people (I was doing 5-10g a day or less for a long time until I was sure I could eat more carbs and stay in ketosis).

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This blows my mind. I understand I am an outlier who eats a high protein, high carb, and low-fat diet with a caloric intake of ~3800 Kcal a day 10 months a year but a low carb day for me is 100g with the average being around 150g a day.

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You would want to stay below 20 grams of net carbs a day to get there and stay there. Honestly, even lower for some people (I was doing 5-10g a day or less for a long time until I was sure I could eat more carbs and stay in ketosis).


This blows my mind

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It really isn't that difficult. I've done it and it works for relatively quick weight loss.

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how do you know that this is a result of a keto diet, and not from losing weight by eating less, or from not drinking. For most people our bodies burn fat/Cho equally and simultaneously. When we eat a meal in excess, our body can’t store an unlimited amount of glucose like we can with fat, so if we can’t burn it we store it as fat. But the same thing is true with fat, you can’t burn your body fat until you burn your dietary fat.

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This is a great question! Everything you said is completely true. Sorry, like I mentioned I was trying to keep it simple for some people.

I did lose weight when I stopped drinking, which is one of the effects of lifestyle changes like I mentioned earlier and is of course great for fatty liver. I went from 205 pounds to about 165. I stayed around there for about 2 years. After a while I started doing keto, and without feeling like I was eating any less I got down to 130. I started lifting weights and trying to eat more and now I'm more like 140. I also have almost silly amounts of energy now which is fun.

At the point I started keto, I hadn't drank in two years but was still having occasional sore pain in my liver. My doctor said my numbers looked good although up until at least June of 2021 (as seen in earlier posted photo), I still had an active diagnosis of alcoholic fatty liver. I had a hunch about keto (will explain) so I started doing it. Salmon, avocado, eggs, dairy, nuts, seeds, chicken/pork/beef, some berries and leafy greens, and a supergreens/vitamin supplement. When I went in 9 months after starting keto for a surgery to actually look at my liver, I was told that other than what was of course permanent scarring, nothing else was wrong and the rest of my liver that isn't cirrhotic was having no problem whatsoever. They seemed surprised to find no inflammation from alcoholic hepatitis or fatty liver at all. The occasional dull pain had also completely gone away.

So my hunch was based on this, and I'm tired and this is too long so I'm almost done. There is mounting evidence that a ketogenic diet can alter the hepatic mitochondrial (energy) fluxes and the redox (oxygen) state of your liver. The specific changes the diet is associated with are the lowering of concentration of serum insulin, the increase of the net hydrolysis of liver triglycerides, and decreased endogenous glucose production. This seems to be a result of the diet inducing an increased mitochondrial redux state while also decreasing citrate synthase flux (citric acid production/flow). The research I've seen on this was from studies that varied in length from 6 days to 1 year. It should be noted that most research that has been done on the subject so far is based on NAFLD and not AFLD specifically.

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Like I said, you didn't cure your fatty liver disease it progressed to cirrhosis in a significant amount. I didn't say the 2 were exclusive.
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 The fatty liver progressed to cirrhosis? I mean kind of and okay
So what are you arguing with me about? Your image shows that you have active disease.

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So yeah, I promise I know what I'm talking about; you can stop worrying about me hurting myself with keto or whatever stupid bs you were trying to insinuate with your ignorant take
I have nothing against low carb or keto. I've done low carb in the past successfully.

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It seems we have a misunderstanding, so I'll try to clarify. I am aware that I had alcoholic fatty liver disease before my liver became cirrhotic. But I didn't stop drinking until after the cirrhosis had nearly killed me, and didn't start doing keto until a couple years after that. The changes observed in my liver function, numbers, and overall health increased substantially after starting keto, as early as 2 weeks in I started to feel as good as I do now, it was pretty rapid and substantial once I started. And then not long after that I was told I was pretty much as cured as is physically possible.