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re: $60M Allen football stadium deemed 'not safe,' will close this season

Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37251 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:21 pm to
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and 3rd party testing labs are hired by the Owner, independent of design/construction teams.


The majority of the jobs I bid on the independent testing agency is hired and paid for by the GC.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22370 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:30 pm to
in my seven years with my current company, i've never worked on a hard-bid project... just negotiated (either lump sum or cost plus)... in each case, the Owner has hired the testing agency.

It's usually done before we ever hit the job... whoever does the geotech report (which is generally included in the specs) is usually who ends up doing all the testing -- soil density, concrete, rebar, etc.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
33912 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:31 pm to
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Are you not able to determine off the design though whether it would be structurally sound?


Easily. Those saying the engineers will be fine must be forgetting that their insurance is about to triple. They might be okay for a little while but this is gonna follow them and could eventually destroy the firm.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:33 pm to
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It was voted on by people living in the district, and I'm assuming it was paid for by a local gov bond issuance. If that's what they want to do more power to them.

exactly right

just a bunch of uninformed, jealous, butthurt douches in here

funny to see Louisiana people saying texas people are idiots. it's not like texas has some of the top public schools in the nation and Louisiana has the worst.

oh wait, it is.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 12:34 pm
Posted by Soda Popinski
BRLA
Member since Mar 2006
1216 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 1:23 pm to
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The Structural Engineer and the Architect will only share any liability if it is shown that there was a design flaw. If so, throw them in the mix


PBK has their own engineering arm - in this case the Architect and Engineer might be one in the same.

You have 666 posts by the way.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
12936 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 1:41 pm to


This is a high school football stadium? Ridiculous.
Posted by 12
Redneck part of Florida
Member since Nov 2010
18761 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 1:44 pm to
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Um no it is not


Yes it is dumbass. It is not that far from North Dallas.

Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10411 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 1:50 pm to
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maybe because they're spending obscene money on football stadiums while laying off teachers for starters?


I doubt Allen is laying off teachers.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 1:51 pm to
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I doubt Allen is laying off teachers.

rtfp
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10411 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 1:54 pm to
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rtfp


I have no idea what the means. But again, I would surprised to find out Allen is laying off teachers due to any kind of monetary shortage. Also, most of the money for the stadium likely came from private donations.

LSU is supposedly an academic institution, but no one seems to care about the amount of money blown on athletics here.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37251 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 1:56 pm to
Just an FYI. This is a job I bid last week. And all of our work is either negotiated or invited bidders only.


Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
7918 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:03 pm to
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failures to completely fill the concourse pan deck during concrete pours, which created a “honeycomb effect,” letters show.


This is a huge construction/civil engineering no-no. No vibrator used when pouring maybe?
Posted by SirSaintly
Uptown, New Orleans
Member since Feb 2013
3136 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:03 pm to
Allen HS may be kind of average for TX but I bet it blows almost all La publics out of the water, with some exceptions. I love Nola but the public schools in La suck for the most part. TX does it better from what I can tell. Even the ghetto people speak so much better than in Nola. It was amazing to hear one sound somewhat educated on the news. It blew my mind.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10956 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:10 pm to
Allen was known as "Fox & Jacobsville" when my family lived up in that area. Sort of Plano wannabes.

My, how times have changed. I wonder if they'll ever build another high school (currently one of largest in U.S.) or if football titles are really that important to them.
Posted by lsu223
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2133 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:23 pm to
I grew up in Allen. With the recent development, there isn't much distinction between Plano and Allen. Just one big suburb.
Posted by LSUDAN1
Member since Oct 2010
8987 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:24 pm to
Doesn't the City of Central, LA School District use PBK for their designs. I remember the new middle school having design issues that was brought to everyone's attention by the contractor. I think the steel structure was under designed by the PBK hired structural engineers.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:59 pm to
Very odd to see honey combing in mezzanine pan slabs. In 14 years in that industry, I never saw that issue. Usually see this in poured walls and it is more of a cosmetic rather than a structural issue. Just don't see how there is honey combing on a smooth troweled finished slab, or a broom finish for that matter without it being noticed. It's more likely that it's scaling or severe de-lamination to such a degree that it looks like honey combing. That is typically caused by sealing it to soon by the finisher and to much bleed water trapped beneath the surface. But that isn't a structural issue in any case I have been involved with. Must be so bad in spots that it is a structural issue.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:02 pm to
I have been involved in projects where the GC hired the testing lab and others where they were hired by the owners.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:13 pm to
You would be surprised though how these issues seem to not affect the GC as much as you would think.

I watched Hardin Const. continue to get major projects both in hard bid and bid list situations after a two year run of bad luck that included:

1. Two workers falling to their deaths down an elevator shaft during construction of Sovereign (high rise in Buckhead)

2. A collapsed parking deck floor in Midtown.(thank goodness nobody died but it crushed some vehicles)

3. Collapse of a pedestrian bridge at the Atlanta Botantical Gardens during construction. It was during a pour and I believe one worker died.

Thought they were done after that one. They seemed to never skip a beat though.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:15 pm to
you can tell the difference though. a lot more older buildings in Plano whereas Allen has newer buildings.
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